Importance of line stage pre--Who Knew?


Well, I'm sure a lot of you knew, or there would be no $5K and up market for line stages.

As for me... This month marks the 40th anniversary of buying my first stereo with my own money. In all that time I've only had solid state in the signal chain except for a Jolida phono preamp and matching line stage I picked up a couple of years ago. It turns out that the tubes in those units were for a buffer stage to warm up the sound, while the gain was handled by op amps. Well, recently an audio buddy came by to spin some vinyl and show me a tube-driven line stage preamp he wanted to sell.

See it here.

This is just a simple, modest line stage preamp with 5-input rotary selection knob, balance, and volume. Five pairs of inputs, one fixed and two volume-controlled pairs of outputs on the back. However, it's a PTP hand-wired design with tube rectifier and large transformer. I didn't want to like it as it had a couple of deal-killers: 1) no remote control and 2) too tall to fit on my audio rack thanks to that outsize transformer. It would have to be a game-changer for me to consider getting it.

We tried it out in the humblest of circumstances. I set it on a Rubbermaid step stool in front of my rack and patched it into the signal path, bypassing the Jolida op amp/tube buffer line stage.

HOLY MOLY!

Game changer? Sh'yeah! After just a few seconds of hearing it you know it's not leaving the house. So what did it do?

It simply sounded more real and less electronic. It heightened the illusion of performers in real space making music. It took my system a big step away from a tune player to a sonic virtual reality device. Sonically the difference might be considered subtle, but in the realm of emotional response to the music, it was a big step. There was more separation between the various elements of the mix, and if you sat in the sweet spot between the speakers, you heard a 3-dimensional image of performers spread out before you. That physical separation also separates into audible separation. It was easier to hear how the musicians interact with each other to make music together--just like in a live performance. Instead of an amorphous left-to-right smear there was a sonic hologram of where the performers stood in the mix. However, this did not desconstruct the performance, but rather showed how the elements worked together to form ensemble music.

Timbres sounded more real: Brass had more blat when called for, more sense of air flowing through metal, of lungs full of air providing the energy for the resulting sound. Strings sounded pluckier, voices more human, acoustic instruments woodier... you get the picture. It made LPs sound enveloping with a nicely laid-out soundstage, and it elevated computer-based digital music from tolerable to involving and enjoyable, again with the 3-D imaging and wider-than-the-speakers sound stage.

Before picking up this piece, I was thinking of upgrading amplifiers yet another time. But I experienced a valuable lesson I had previously known more in theory--that for fine gradations of amplitude, tubes rule, and it's the low level--preamp and component level--signals that are most fragile; if part of the signal drops out at that stage, no amplifier will bring it back regardless of the amp's bandwidth, rise time, signal-to-noise ratio, or resolving power. The preamp has to caress and amplify those low level signals and pass them on to the amplifier so you can groove to them when they exit the speakers. Since all my sources--LP, CD, FM, iPod, and computer--run through this unit, everything sounds better,

In fact, one of the things I learned from this experience is that my $220 used 1981 Heathkit amplifier is even better than I thought. Paired with this preamp, it is still superb. Sure there are better and much better. But for now and some time to come, it'll do nicely.

Since picking it up I swapped in a set of Sylvania NOS tubes--a JAN (mil-spec) 6X5WGT rectifier (smoother delivery and better voltage regulation) and a matched set of '50s-era Sylvania 6SN7GTB triodes (even more liquidity, less grain, more 3-D imaging). I'm a happy man. Next up--sell off some electronics and get a tube phono stage from this maker.
johnnyb53

Showing 5 responses by johnnyb53


11-04-12: Peter_s
Maybe you can figure out a way to add a motorized volume control to it?
To my surprise the lack of remote became a non-issue.So far, with this unit I don't miss the remote control. With all my previous SS preamps and integrated amps I constantly fiddled with the remote's volume--turning it up to hear loud passages and down when crescendos might wake the house or simply irritate me.

However, the noise floor on this preamp is so low that I can hear soft passages just fine and the crescendos, while loud, don't get hard or bright. From this new experience, I'm theorizing that if you constantly fiddle with your volume control, it *may* indicate that your line stage lacks low amplitude resolution. With the new preamp, I keep the volume knob at one position and just let the music play on. This is a complete paradigm shift for me and it profoundly enhances my listening experience.

11-04-12: Stringreen
...a bit of a caveat......most changes (subtle, grand, good, bad) are perceived as a "Wow". Live with this new one for a few weeks and discover ITS warts...you just might want to go back to your old one.
This ain't my first rodeo. I bought my first stereo 40 years ago. I worked in high end audio retail for a year soon after. I've had a lifetime of swapping and comparing components, cables, and now tubes. I *know* what to listen for regarding long term musical involvement and emotional satisfaction.

There's no way the Jolida JD5T 10dB gain line stage can touch this MAGI PTP-wired line stage. I also have 15 years experience swapping current production Russian, Czech, and Chinese tubes against NOS GE, Philips, RCA, Raytheon, and Sylvania tubes, some JAN versions and some not. The NOS tubes--even up to '80s production Philips JAN 12AX7WAs--are consistently quieter, smoother, and more durable.

To those who wondered, my current setup is a Technics SL1210 M5G (has the factory tonearm rewire) w/KAB fluid damper, an Oracle sorbothane mat, tonearm wrap, LpGear ZuPreme headshell, Audio Technica AT150MLX. The turntable is platformed on a combination of brass cones, Vibrapod cones and pucks, a very heavy 3-1/2" thick maple butcher block cutting board supported by silicone gel pads. This feeds a Jolida JD9A phono stage with NOS Sylvania 5751 Gold tubes with Herbies tube dampers, with the unit sitting on Vibrapods. This formerly fed a Jolida JD5T line stage but is now feeding a MAGI all tube line stage to an unbelievable 1981 Heathkit AA-1600 power amp (about 180 wpc) powering a pair of Mirage OMD-15 floorstanders assisted by a pair of Mirage MM8 subs.
As the OP I can say that putting *this* line stage in *my* system improved it in every way. I do like what tubes do in resolvving microdynamics at the low line level, but I've also heard SS units do impressive things at that level, particularly the Marantz Reference series that uses their proprietary HDAM gain modules.

The other factor is that although this unit flies under the radar and I was able to get a used one for $500, if I compare its features and build quality with the current market, it's equivalent to an overachieving $2500 unit such as one might get from Rogers, Rogue, or PrimaLuna. A SS unit at that price would also outperform the $299 (now $550) Jolida unit it replaced.

11-05-12: Schubert
Makes me feel better, only took me 10yrs to figure a tube pre was better.

Oh, I had my suspicions that a tube pre would be a better thing for several years, but between young kids around the house and the much higher price of good tube gear I just didn't pursue it. But I'm glad I finally did. It's not like I didn't enjoy my music before; I just enjoy it that much more now.

11-08-12: W3ux
Zd542 - The person that started this thread said he was using a modest line stage,
I'm the OP and when I said it was a "modest" line stage I meant that it was very simply built, no gilded tube cage, no Italian styling, no 1/4" thick face plate, no ceramic/polymer hybrid footers, no remote control. However, as far as features that count sonically--excellent circuit design, rugged components, PTP wiring, oversize transformer and tube rectification, ceramic sockets, high quality panel-mounted RCA plugs--it has a build quality to rival line stages up to at least $2500 and maybe $4000.

If your computer source is as good as you can afford(I'm using a Mac Mini with pure music) and has adequate gain, a preamp is not necessary, you will lose detail and transparency.

Yet somehow this line stage is able to caress very low level signals and amplify them intact, and do no damage to high treble signals, such that everything I run through it sounds better, whether sourced from CD player, phono preamp (from turntable) or my Audirvana-driven iTunes.

You do have a point though; the guy I bought it from is replacing it with a transformer-driven passive preamp. Rather than attenuating via variable resistor values it's handled by a multiple-tapped transformer to provide the attenuation while preserving--and even enhancing--signal strength.

My power amp has attenuators for each channel, so I *could* plug into it directly, but the attenuators are on the back panel and I'd have to shut off the amp, wait 20 seconds, and then manually change interconnects every time I wanted to switch sources. Having the right line stage instead is easily worth it to me.