If you want lame advice DON'T do this!
Have you ever seen a member ask for advice about their system and don't understand why they need to make a change? Mistakes in this hobby are generally expensive. Does a list of components tell you how they sound together as a system? No Does a picture of a room tell you how the system sounds in the room? No. Think about the dollars that have been flushed away because the problem was the room and no matter what you stick in there or how much it cost it won't git er done. A flat in room frequency response is a starting point before changing anything. So, why don't more people post measurements when asking for advice? If you want lame advice DON'T post your system in your profile. If you want good advice post your system and a pic. If you want excellent advice include your in room FR measurements (which almost all modern receivers provide or REW can do for free).
I perfectly understand that...And it is perfectly fine if you like your room...
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Good post... You tuned your room for your ears... Now imagine you add a grid of located Helmholtz resonators also...Ionizers and schumann generators...Imagine now you use your speakers as two beams concentrated on your listening position... I did it with a foldable screen on which i place resonators and diffusers ... It is impossible to explain how to do it because it is done in an incremental way in a tuning process... The results was a holographic room soundfield with the intimacy of headphone... Way more powerful than buying gear... My only problem is that it could have been better with more sophisticated speakers...
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This is my second case... you room was good then you were lucky... But room optimization , my third case ,only begin with a good room and do not end there.. Almost no one had listen to a dedicated small room , because almost no one own one... And pro dont want to "create a ashrine to the audio Gods"...A good room is enough for most customers ...doing more will cost a fortune... Thanks for the expression... Room optimization is a "shrine to the audio Gods"... Ask to people who could pay 100,000 bucks for their room if their optimized room is better than just a good room or not ? They will say that there is no comparison... Then i did not negate your point nor want to depreciate your room ... I only add what was missing for the sake of understanding and from my experience... By the way it was so hard to create one optimized room i will never do it again... And i lack the 100,000 bucks to pay for one...
😊 My unesthetical room with 100 resonators and other devices was that : "a shrine to the audio God" ... Good expression... It is better than "mad scientist lair"...
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A room can sound bad... Then it must be corrected acoustically...
A living room room can sound good with no apparent defect... Then you can live with it without doing any acoustic treatment ...It will be just ok... It will not be optimal...
A DEDICATED room can sound also OPTIMAL for a specific system and could be more than just OK... Then even if acoustic control is not necessary because clapping your hand there is no echo , doing it will be rewarding more than any upgrade... Small room acoustic is way more than just suppressing the echo in the room... 😊 Do not confuse these three different cases...
The gear does not replace acoustic optimization... I understand that most people cannot do it and cannot pay someone for doing it ... But we must say the basic truth... Acoustic is not a mere correction ....It is a process of optimization of the relation between your ears, the room and the speakers... If i could had better speakers than my Mission Cyrus , my room optimization would have crush even my actual stunning headphone in intimacy and in all acoustic factors...
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Here is a negative review of the K340 by a well known and competent reviewer Tyll Hertzens :
Is he right? No, not at all... But what he experienced at first listening , i experienced it too...😊 The difference is that he listened to the K340 a few hours and pass to an another headphone more easy to figure out ... Me i decided to optimize them...😁 There is no mismatch of the drivers as he claims and no comparison between my K340 before optimization and AFTER... I wrote that because you must know what you will go for before buying ...
By the way i bought by curiosity the K240 too... So good they are and they are, they dont touch the K340 by far... I bought them because i wanted to check the passive resonators workings in these two... Dr. Gorike who designed them was not a mere headphone designer, but a physicist and a genius in acoustic , and one of the founder of AKG ... The K340 was the greatest of all their flagship some compared it to the Onega Stax...But it is even better because of their natural deep bass and a better 3-D holographic image... A i will never upgrade it...The acoustic soundfield of this headphone cannot be replicated by one singular membrane headphone with no acoustic resonators and an empty singular acoustic chamber...
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No BEWARE...There were not to my taste right out of the box... It take me 6 months and 6 modification to like them ... It is not an easy to figure out headphone... But at 100 bucks pick them and sell me them after... If you look for a microscope yours Sony will be fine... If you look for a three- D soundfield... AFTER optimization they beat most headphones... They crushed the 9 others i know to pieces... 😉
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i regret my room loss...😊 Because so good headphone are , and the K340 is really good, it is easier and more confortable to SEE music in a room... Especially for those who own average well known other headphones... 😁 I will listen to Grimani by curiosity...Thanks
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You are completely right about the importance of acoustic over even gear choice as the road to audiophile experience... Thanks for the articles... 😊
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I never asked for advices people here for my room passive and active controls... (Is the OP an acoustician specialized in small room ? 😊) Why? Because small room acoustic is more complex than even great Hall acoustic... No general RECIPE will do and successfully accomodate your ears with the audio system and the room... I never explained all i did in my acoustic dedicated room anyway , because it was too complex and too " mad" to be understood by average people with no basic in acoustic...And it was not replicable in any other room exactly the same... And it was unesthetical because i used no-cost products...I used 100 Helmholtz resonators array all around me and the speakers, each one mechanically tuned, and homemade...And i used other non orthodox successful tools ( ionization and Schumann generators) .. Not just a mere passive treatment between Diffision/reflection/absorption in a balanced ratio as in some already complex but easy recipe ... When i posted images at the beginning i waited for the insults of all idiots... They came ... 😊 There is plenty of general recipe on the net for most people to use for the living room dimensions ...They will help not solve the acoustic problem completely but they will help a lot ... I dont recommend to anybody to listen to anyone FIRST but i recommend reading serious acoustic articles and creating their own set of experiments in their dedicated room or in their living room FIRST ... For fun, learning is more fun than buying... For most it will be living room and a general recipe and it will be enough ... For this there exist also acoustic articles on the net and computerized recipe ... But in a dedicated room as the one i created for me there is many aspects very different than a great Hall acoustic: In a great Hall you are in a collective acoustic experience with real musicians in a rectangle or in a spheric environment ... In a small dedicated room you accomodate the owners specific ears filters, the acoustic material content of the room , his complex geometry and specific topology, not only his dimensions, and you accomodate the speakers responses and the room response together for the specific ears filters of the owner... No recipe can do this... Here you must learn acoustic by experimenting with it... Or pay a professionnal acoustician 100,000 bucks for designing the room and it will be esthetical ..My room was a mad room.. My children were amazed and laughed but they listened and were very surprizingly pleased ... Anyway the most important part of an audio system is the room not the gear...That is basic... Then yes many people upgrade instead of paying attention to acoustic...OP is right here...But easy recipe is not enough to reach audio peak...Sorry... Acoustic of small room is very complex, most people cannot do it and anyway most of the times dont own a dedicated room anyway... As i said, in audiophile experience acoustic is the main road to go , not buying gear pieces... This cannot change anyway the fact that most people CANNOT DO IT ... If i was not retired i will have never go with acoustic experiments... it takes me a year, 7 day on 7 non stop for one year to learn how to do it to my satisfaction...And in fact it takes me longer...I dont count the multiple partial tryings... Anyway most people can be happy with a general acoustic recipe in a living room... I could not... Now i lost my room by fate... I go with headphones... It takes me 6 months to optimize one to rival my room... And i always disliked headphones... But i was lucky here ... Another story... |
