If my subwoofer has no LFE input...


I am considering a new subwoofer. Many very nice, but older models do not have inputs appropriate for LFE from a processor. Given that the subwoofer would be connected in parallel with the main speakers:

1. Can most processors be told not to send LFE to the sub channel and direct all low frequencies to the mains?

2. What kind of sonic degradation occurs, from a home theatre perspective, with this kind of setup (presumably the 2 channel sound would be excellent)?

Any help/information is welcome. Thanks very much.
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Rich, I certainly see how you could interpret it that way. My 5800 manual words it a little differently. It says "When the LFE+Main playback mode is selected, the low frequency signal range of channels set to large are produced simultaneously from this channels and the subwoofer channel." It doesn't say the LFE info is also present in the mains. However, if you set the fronts to large, the surrounds to small, and the sub to off, the fronts will get the bass content of the sub channel and the surrounds mixed in with the bass content of the fronts.
Nighthawk, according to my DENON AVR-4800 manual and the on screen display you have to set the subwoofer to "On" to get to subwoofer mode screen: "LFE -THX-" or "LFE + Main".
That is you have the flexibility to choose how the bass information is distributed to your speakers if you have large front left and right speakers and a subwoofer as part of your home theater speaker system.
By selecting the "LFE + Main" option, you will be sending the same bass frequencies to both the front left and front right, AND to the subwoofer speakers simultaneously.
If the "LFE -THX-" option is selected, bass for the large front left and front right goes ONLY to the front left and front right speakers. Bass going to the subwoofer comes from the LFE signal and any speakers which you have designated as "Small".
I believe this is the only way for DENON receivers to get an LFE signal to the front speaker outputs so that a subwoofer with no LFE RCA input could ultilize it's high level speaker inputs.

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/avr4800dfu.pdf
Rich, the only way to get the LFE content in the mains is to select the no subwoofer option. The LFE, LFE+main is what goes to the sub, not the fronts. I've tried both, and greatly prefer the LFE only going to the sub. LFE+main causes some weird phase cancellations between the sub and full-range mains. However, this can be a good way to use the sub to extend the range of nearly full-range (40Hz) mains set to large. You set the sub output to LFE+main and set the sub's crossover to a very low frequency, such as 30Hz, to provide bottom fill only. This works better for audio than HT.
In the above post the correct nomenclature is LFE, so subsitute LFE for THX (in the speaker configuration, sub menu on the on screen display). ie. LFE and LFE + Mains. Sorry for the confusion.
If I remember correctly the Denon AVR receivers have in the speaker, subwoofer menu (when set to on) THX and THX + Mains. So if a subwoofer is not connected to the sub pre out you could still get the LFE info to your Left and Right Main speakers when set to THX + Mains.
Regards
Rich
No problem at all.

Sounds like the Audio Physic cabinets will make a good looking and good sounding combination!

Good luck.
Gunbei, thank you for your response. I will double check my processor to make sure it has this capability and any processor along my upgrade trail. I am considering the Audio Physic Rhea posted in the classifieds by TSTO. All the reviews I have found indicate it to be an excellent choice. Also it will complement my Audio Physic Virgos (even has matching veneer - always important from a fashion perspective).
In answer to question #1:
In the speaker set up of most processors you'd set the subwoofer to OFF, then set your mains to LARGE. This will prevent a signal going to your processor's LFE output and send a full frequency signal to your mains.

Regarding question #2:
Some people actually prefer to run their HT in this set up. I only have monitors, so I haven't been able to test this to full effect.

Which subs are you considering?