Using my Manley Steelhead to drive newly acquired pr. of Pass 160.8s to my Avalons. Out of the box; the 160.8s had the best control of the bass that I have heard with the Avalons. Day (3) soundstage is wide, deep, layered. Midrange is to die for, highs are getting cleaner and starting to shimmer. Bass is more articulated (micro & macro) imaging is superb. Last bit of palpable imaging and air that I suspect that I would get with tube amps is the only thing I could want yet; but superior bass control is what I will keep. I have been looking into NOS tubes. Not sure what various tubes will bring; but can hardly wait since this will be a 1st for me. So far I am definitely happy with my "divorce from Spectral " Instead of hyper details, I still have the details but everything sounds natural, No listening fatigue!! Sounds great at low, normal, High volumes. We are having our first "cool" spell in the Midwest. Amps keep listening room at 75 degrees!