I went from Class D to Luxman A/AB - And most of what you think is wrong


Hi everyone,

As most of you know, I’m a fan of Class D. I have lived with ICEPower 250AS based amps for a couple of years. Before that I lived with a pair of Parasound A21s (for HT) and now I’m listening to a Luxman 507ux.


I have some thoughts after long term listening:
  • The tropes of Class D having particularly bad, noticeable Class D qualities are all wrong and have been for years.
  • No one has ever heard my Class D amps and gone: "Oh, wow, Class D, that’s why I hate it."
  • The Luxman is a better amp than my ICEPower modules, which are already pretty old.

I found the Class D a touch warm, powerful, noise free. Blindfolded I cannot tell them apart from the Parasound A21s which are completely linear, and run a touch warm due to high Class A operation, and VERY similar in power output.


The Luxman 507 beats them both, but no amp stands out as nasty sounding or lacking in the ability to be musical and involving.


What the Luxman 507 does better is in the midrange and ends of the spectrum. It is less dark, sweeter in the midrange, and sounds more powerful, almost "louder" in the sense of having more treble and bass. It IS a better amplifier than I had before. Imaging is about the same.


There was one significant operational difference, which others have confirmed. I don't know why this is true, but the Class D amps needed 2-4 days to warm up. The Luxman needs no time at all. I have no rational, engineering explanation for this. After leaving the ICEPower amps off for a weekend, they sounded pretty low fi. Took 2 days to come back. I can come home after work and turn the Luxman on and it sounds great from the first moment.


Please keep this in mind when evaluating.


Best,

E
erik_squires

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As far as I can tell high end audio is more of a rat race than ever as there are many more manufacturers looking for a piece of the pie. The marketing is getting progressively more obnoxious.  Kids appreciate good sound like the rest of us. They go to concerts and are quite capable of discriminating between great and not so great sound. But, life in general is more expensive than ever and megabuck HiFi systems are not on their priority list. Later in life they are sure to join in as finances allow. They are also more likely to include theater in the equation as well as vinyl which I find very interesting. I think we are analog creatures at heart. There is nothing like the warm glow of tubes. That is an instinctive attraction. 
As far as class D amps are concerned I think TACT was on the right path with an amp that encoded in pulse width modulation and sampled at 90 meg. They were very clean sounding amps with solid bass but they did not like reactive loads at all. I have never heard a Rowland amp but obviously someone is paying close attention to build quality. I have no doubt that Class D amps will become very competitive with other amps in regards to sound quality. Back in the late 60s we all thought that SS amps were garbage because they were. A decade or two later and they came into their own and many of us think they are superior. The efficiency of class D is what I find so attractive. Turning money into heat is counter productive especially when you spend more money air conditioning it out of the house. 
After all it is all about enjoying the music right? Silly. We all love music or we would not be doing this. HiFi is all about reproducing the music but to what standard? There really is not one or rather we all have our own standard which evolves over time. But I can say that in the presence of a truly great system jaws drop and there is very little criticism. I love it when my jaw drops.
I joined the Audio Circle and asked a few questions. I like the philosophy of the company very much. Low overhead, straight forward well executed chassis. The 1500 watt, quadruple rail version of the Megaschino is $17,000/pr. Not cheap!  I still can not find any info on how he is sampling and why. I think he holds that information close. He has a thread on planar speakers which seem to be an interest of his. I described my speakers and related that I would like very much to hear his amps. Not many amps drive my speakers gracefully. We shall see how he responds.  
I visited Cherry's web site yesterday alerted to this amp by another threat. I would love to hear a mono pair of the Megachinos. The web site is not very informative as to what type of sampling he is using PWM or PCM and he does not mention how fast. 2 meg is mentioned above. The Tact and Lyngdorf amps sample at 9 meg PWM. Those amps were/are crystalline but do not have the best bass and have trouble with difficult loads. For a system that uses subwoofers they are first class driving any speaker 4 ohms and above. You had a choice of digital or analog inputs.
The Cherry amps are a nice clean design without unnecessary filigree. The only thing I would like to see is a digital input that accepted 192/24.
Many if not most of us are using digital sources and processors myself included. I actually digitize my tube phono amp. Analog inputs only forces me into two more conversions that could be avoided. Converting 192/24 into whatever the amp is doing should not be that hard.
If you look at pictures of the Megachino you will see several large ICs. The analog circuits may be discrete but the digital ones are certainly not. He does not mention what chips he is using and why. You could say he does not use anyone else's class D module. I like that but would want to know more. He does give you a 30 day home trial. If I were looking for new amps I would give them a spin but I am not and would not do a home trial without the possibility of a purchase. 
Humans are very change resistant and risk adverse with few exceptions.
They are also egocentric particularly males. It is cool to see those who manage to break away from this like Ford, Edison, Musk and many more.    
Mola Mola? That is some name for an electronics manufacturer. The problem with class D amplification is that there is a very broad range of quality. It can be a very cheap way to build an amplifier of mediocre quality with a high school electronics degree and make a lot of profit.
Then there are the good ones like the Rowlands that are faster and have high quality power supplies. I had a pair of TACT amps that were sort of class D. They were pulse width modulated sampling at 90 meg. They sounded very nice. I used them to biamp my Divas. Unfortunately they struggled to drive my Acoustats and would keep tripping their protection circuits so I moved on. I think Lyngdorf still uses the design. I have not had the opportunity to listen to a lot of class D amps so my opinion lacks for sample size but I have not yet heard one that sounds as good as a Class A amp. Hopefully some day that will change as I see no great advantage in all that heat and high electrical bills not to mention that big heat sinks are expensive.