I was happy with my system for 30 years; now I need a new amp...and more?


Greetings, can you help? My amps died. I have a wide range of listening: rock and roll mostly (70's mainly), some jazz, minimal classical.

 

Sources are LPs and CDs. I even still have a Nak tape deck for live music tapes...

I had VTL 80W mono blocks since 1992, combined with VTL Deluxe Preamplifier.

Speakers were EPOS ES11 (still have them, been in boxes for years), then some used Thiel CS3.5 (sold), now some Klipsch R820F that I got at Best Buy (I know).

Source is AR turntable that I've had since early 90's, don't remember what cartridge but it's relatively new.

CD player was Cal Audio Labs that stopped reading discs a few years ago (is this worth getting repaired? Tend to doubt it), now Phillips 900 series CD player, seems solid.

 

The VTL tube preamp had some bad tubes which are now replaced and it appears to be functioning well.

The tube amps had major issues with capacitors and I decided to sell them and move on instead of getting them repaired.

 

So! Now I need to get a new amp. Ideally I would use the existing preamp, possibly combining it with a solid state amp. I know the speakers are not that great, and the CD player probably needs upgrading.


The room is small--I sit about 12' from the speakers, the ceiling is average height (10'?), the room has a concrete floor covered with a rug (not carpet) and there are a lot of windows.

Budget is a bit flexible. I was thinking first I need the amp, then maybe upgrade the CD player (is it bad?), and finally the speakers.

One option is the Schiit Vidar 2 amp which, if I just get one, would work with the existing tube preamp (need balanced inputs to use two as mono blocks, which I don't have from this preamp). I would like for the amp to NOT run super hot if possible.

 

Budget (all are ± $500)

I could spend up to maybe $1500 on the amp

Up to maybe $1000 on the CD player (ideally less, or maybe not at all?)

Up to maybe $2000 on the speakers but that wouldn't be for another year or so. Focal?

 

Also: Minimal local dealers for stereo equipment! Tough to audition gear, plus it's not the same as hearing it in one's own room.

 

Looking for recommendations for an amp I can use with my tube pre-amp but also would consider something integrated (and sell the Deluxe to fund it) or other options?

 

THANK YOU.

drbeechwood

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The Van Alstine is integrated with no phono stage so I probably wouldn't go that direction. My speaker cables are excellent.

I do have a SONOS ARC sound bar and subwoofer that I use for the TV and also for streaming from my phone or computer. So I'm looking to avoid redundancy.

So can I poll people on whether it's a dumb idea to use my VTL deluxe tube preamp with a solid state amp, vs. buying a new integrated amp? Think I need to start there.

 

 

Hi, I don't want to sell everything or overstretch or buy an active speaker, but thank you for the input. I also mentioned that I was hoping for an amp that wasn't super hot, and the Aegis is stated to run hot.

Musical Fidelity M5si is sold by Amazon and has free returns....that is tempting. Nobody likes the Schiit Vidar2 option?

Also just for some ideas on music, I would through out:

Grateful Dead American Beauty CD remaster, or live reissues like 5/8/77

John Coltrane Giants Steps LP box 180g 45 rpm

Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

Joni Mitchell

Tom Petty Wildflowers

Rolling Stones 

Led Zeppelin

Bob Dylan

Anything by Miles Davis

That's what I'm into.

Petaluman, you are wise. I agree: I think I want the flexibility of upgrading the speakers in the future, and thus want an amp that can handle a bit more than the Klipsch. I didn't think they sounded spectacular with the 80W tube mono blocks, but again, the room is a bit bright. I don't think they had "power to spare". 

 

I'm tempted to just get the Vidar and try it with my preamp for a week but I think the better plan is to sell the VTL and get a modern, relatively powerful integrated amp, and probably that Marantz CD player recommended above that can also stream.

Then next year think about better speakers. This thread has been super helpful in organizing my thoughts and giving me some options. More opinions welcome!

Yes, thanks again for all the feedback. The room is 30'x15' but I have the speakers along one long side facing the other long side, hence the 12' from speakers dimensions. I don't think I need mono blocks. Some great ideas in this thread. I think I'm going to put the VTL deluxe preamp on the classifieds here, and go with integrated amp/preamp with plenty of power and see about upgrading speakers later. I do like the idea of a newer CD player with a better DAC that can also stream from my phone, so that Marantz (which isn't sold anymore) or something like it would be a good choice.

What's more important with respect to the room. the total dimensions, or the distance to the speakers?

So an update: I found an interim solution--I had an old Yamaha R-700 Receiver/Amp that I found in my garage and dusted it off...and it sounds really good with the Klipsch speakers! It's not the long-term solution but it's working for me now. Until I can audition some gear it will tide me over.

 

If anyone is interested, I have my VTL Deluxe Preamp for sale in the Audiogon classifieds. Hopefully someone will be able to give it a good home. Thanks again for all of your suggestions.