I've finally lost it


Dear Fellow Audiophiles,

(This greeting sounds so much like the one in Signal Cables’ ads)

I heave a heavy cry for help hoping sane audiophiles, if any exists at all, can come to my aid.

(Looking at recent threads such as the one by Rick Schultz, I fear there’s few out there)

In the past few months, I’ve been in a terrible turmoil: a sickness, a disease.

I don’t understand it at all. So, I beseech your guidance, knowledge and, most of all, a good ass kicking for I fear I am that far from adopting a new religion to save my damned shoe horn.

Until a few months ago, I casually avoided all things analog as I perused through the audio pages be it web or hardcopy. I was only interested in monitors, quaint looking amps and redbook non-os cd players and dacs. But, as of these few months, I can’t get analog out of my head.

I have purchased a total of THREE LPs in the past month. I have maybe 200-300 LPs in a box that I purchased before CDs became prevalent to me in 1989. And, I hardly and ever will hardly listen to any of them ever again. Yet, analog hardware are hopping around my head like Daffy Ducks swimming around Elmer Fudd’s head after he sufferes a great accident.

I can’t keep my eyes off my laptop’s screen as I search for more and more information on turntables. What makes them tick? How do you make them sound better? Which brands are good? How much should I spend? MC or MM?

I’ve leaned towards the VPI Scout or Aries at first. But, I have a dreaded pet peeve against MDF as one of my speakers is made completely of MDF which I thought sounded awkwardly unnatural. I looked to Michell Technodec and Gryo SE which I still think are worthy choices. However, lately I found a review of Positive Feedback’s review of Bluenote’s polyvinyl Bellavista package which includes the Bellavista turntable, the Borghese tonearm and the Boboli cartridge.

I read the review with complete concurrence with every paragraph. Usually, I think Positive Feedback is just that. They have positive feedback for every product they’ve reviewed. However, somehow I felt this review has more journalistic weight than usual. I started researching all things Bluenote.

This isn’t the first time I became hawkish on one particular brand. I did fall heads over heels for 47 Labs as their Gaincard demonstrated to me a new level of resolution through the application of simple materials and set up. I still have the urge to get a Pitracer once I hit the lotto. However, this Bluenote thing doesn’t make any sense at all.

I have a total of THREE LPs that I want to listen to.
I am planning to buy the Bellavista Signature table, the U3 Singature tonearm, an Ortofon Kontrapunkt A or B cart as I read the Bluenote’s arms like heavy carts, and I want Bluenote’s own Phono1 MC phono preamp. I haven’t started nickel and diming the dealers yet, but I think I will spend close to $4000 by the time I am done not including wires and accessories. This means, at current time and purpose, it will be costing me $1333 for me to to play ONE LP.

Atleast with the 300 or so CDs that I listen to and about 200 CDs that are boxed up, the marginal return on investment on a Pitracer will be about $500 per CD. Still INSANE but not as INANE as the turntable investment! Nevertheless, I want a turntable!! I don’t know WHY. Maybe they LOOK sexy. Maybe I just want a new toy. Maybe I have some shortcomings that I want to emotionally supplement. I can’t figure it out!!

Anyways, I am posting hoping for moral or analog support. Even if I do end up splurging on this stupid turntable, at least I hope I spend my money intelligently as stupid as this whole ordeal seems to me.

My GF says I just want to spend money. Either she is making sense, or she’s turning into one of those controlling wives that has problem with the hobby of HIFI which I will need to hit the dating scene again if that is the case.

Thanks,

Ed
viggen

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No no no.. I bought a 20 yr old Rega 2. A prudent purchase for an owner of a 3 LP collection.

Yeah... right...
Wellfed,

You pretty much stabbed another one of my irrationalities in the heart that I haven't exposed in this thread yet. The main reason I have stayed away, thus far, from analog is because of the lack of availability of the software of music I usually listen to. Most of what I listen to are small electronic pop bands which are not even available in most mainstream brick and mortar stores. Thus, most are not even made in vinyl.

If I do go analog, I'd pretty much buy what I already have on CD, whatever ones that are available in analog format, or explore new/old music such as the symphonies by broodish Russian composers, early big band swing and west coast jazz.

I am also keeping an eye on improving my digital set up. I don't want to get into hi rez as I really like the way non-os digital applications sound. However, right now I am using a NEC cd rom as my digital front. I got it from ebay for $20. It outplays all my previous dac/trans combos.

Thus, adding more to my irrationality. as I only have about $2000 in my system now (it was $8,000 a few years ago), yet I want a $4000 analog setup to play a virtually non-existent album collection.

Also, $4000 is actually already "starting small" as the tone arm and cartridges is purposely left for more room to improve relative to the table. I think I should atleast start with a table I can live with for awhile and upgrade the arm and cart later on. But, my budget is relative to what is available out there that I am interested in. As I don't see Bluenote as a viable option anymore, my budget is up in the air again.

Rene, what are you writing your dissertation on?
Wellfed,

No, yesteryear didn't present any stigma to me. Maybe it would have if we're talking about fashion. I never heard of Currier and Ives so maybe that's why. My first inclination is to think it is some kind of hand lotion if I didn't read it on an audio forum. (Googled) Now I know it's artwork similar to that of Norman Rockwell but with a poignant realism that I've seen from some more modern artists but can't recall their names. One of these artist specializes in painting cute babies and bunnies holding butcher knives while cutting human bodies open.

And, the $2000 in my system includes BDR cones, granite platforms, speaker cables and interconnects, and ac treatment. = X

Actually, modernism would actually present me with more stigma. I see a neighborhoods filled with track housing that look exactly alike and are few inches apart... globalization without integrated safetynet for the needy, cars (same can be said of stereos) that drive like feats of demography rather than engineering... not to mention health care with doctors treating only symptoms and not the person.
then I'd be more than glad to hold on to your 400 records while you're galantly contributing to our country's GDP while away in a foriegn land.

I would think physicists are the least rational (in a good way) of all scientific and engineering people out there. Maybe I have no idea what I am spewing off about as I never really knew of any physicists, but I think it takes very unrational out of the box thinking to come up with quantam and electron fields theories and such. Then again, maybe I am speaking of the very small percentrage of physicists out there.

But I do see the rational irrationality of your progression from a vinyl adoptor to someone with a greater appreciation for music.

I shall keep your logic with me.
Wow, I didn't think my ludicrous endeavor will illicit so many responses. I do feel a lot better since lastnight when I wrote these dialogues. Ofcourse, when I finally went to bed at 2am, I took my laptop with me and continued researching analog stuff until 5am. I seem to have a flavor of the day everyday. And, lastnight about 1am, I discovered Origin Aurora and Graham Slee...

No doubt a lot of you have been through this and thanks for sharing your own experiences. I think this is exactly what I needed. To get some senses knocked into me and to hear other people's horror stories to make me feel better about my own problems. Please keep them coming. I still haven't heard from anyone who dumped their spouse or significant others for their analogue though. Anyone come close atleast? Anyone?

I think Lakefront, Sean and Eso touched on something regarding actual application of analog... I day trade for a living at the moment, so I sit in front of the laptop all day long in my stereo room while blaring some CD. I listen to the same CD 3-4 times in a row because I am too lazy to get up to change the CD. I just put it on repeat. Now, if I am using a turntable I'd have to get up once every 20-30 minutes to flip that sucker over. Something to think about...

On the sane side, I did tell Dean that I WILL NOT buy anything until December. December really has no significance. It's just a date. A date I hope my will power can reach. In the mean time I will keep on researching until I've perfected my system in my mind then actually try to acquire it for real. Sort of like my Kelly LeBrock in Weird Science... But I do feel much better already.
Hi Surfgod,

I already bought my turntable about a month ago. And, like you, I have not regret spending the cash.

I am close to about 5k now as well. I do wonder what kind of sound I would have gotten if I dumped 5k into digital 'stead.
Santiago, I just started playing piano a few weeks ago. When I played a piece for the first time, everything seems to go smoothly. Then I try to perfect it. This is when my fingers sort of lose coordination and start to stutter. I don't know if Confuscius had the same problem, but he was supposedly a master swordsman.

Francisco, I know you have an excellent turntable, but the Kab doesn't do it for me aesthetically = X.

Marco, I am actually in the same situation as you or have been in it for a long time as I sit on a few boxes of LPs and have never had the urge to play them.

So many people on Audiogon with their first names ending with "O". Has anyone noticed?

Edcurtio
Hi Rny,

My answer will be a terrible let down to you and the rest of the audiophiles here. Nevertheless...

I am afraid my answer is not an audio one because my problem is not audio related. It just so happen to manifest itself in the form of a turntable.

Many of you placated my turntable musings by telling me to follow my desires and go for it even if the proposition seems totally rediculous. Thanks for the support.

You can say this has helped me to find the reason for my turntable insanity and am now trying to cure the obsession at its source.

Now for many of you who are still lost lambs feeding the audio slaughter. I am telling you that I have seen the light. I will share with you this revelation. It has something to do with magnets.= X
Oops.

=X is an emoticon.

You know... = ) happy face =D very happy face =( sad face...
Ahhh.. I don't have much to fess up except I got a good deal on a table, and RNY has a system to die for ... I believe it's the same one showcased on sakurasystems.com.
I've been thinking alot about what's been said in this thread. I did quite a bit of reflecting and lots of things are starting to make sense to me. I will spare you the boring details.

Bill, thanks for seeing the "serenity" that I wasn't able to see. I am starting to find it again.
GMC and TVAD, thanks for showing me the "real" darkside of this analog madness. As I am, so far, on the outside looking in, I feel like I am in a safer and warmer place.

And the rest of you, thank you for your support and suggestions.

However, I personally don't believe in starting low then gradually getting something better later on. Maybe I just want the instant satisfaction. However, I personally find that I grow out of the "starter kits" too fast for them to be worthwhile.

Perhaps, pretending I am speaking to a psycho-dynamic-ologist, this is because my mother bought me a shabby car when I turned 16 giving me the excuse that it's my first car, so I should drive a piece of junk until I am older. And, this left me with the uncorrectable impression that "starters" is just an "excuse".

I know my system looks pretty weak at the moment. I had some pricier stuff a few years ago, but, my system's musicality kept improving as I simplified/downgraded more and more with only the Gaincard as a constant. Perhaps it is this over simplification process in my system building philosophy during these pass few years is causing an ennui thus leading to the currently dreaded analog frenzy.

I have actually downsized my system by another $2000 retail dollars (actually $1000) in the past few months since my last virtual system entry.

There's definitely nothing practical about my "condition". If anything, maybe my problem is hyperpracticality. So, I don't expect a practical solution will suffice.

Rene, I've been looking hard at the Technodec too. It was sort of knocked out of my top choice by the Bluenote. However, I just found out a few hours ago that Bluenote is no longer represented in the US. I guess this means no more manufacturer warranty.

I am also looking hard at the Kuzma Stabi S.