I'm putting to rest worrying about sibilance


I just ran a test on three different turntables I own. I played various recordings, each of which exhibit sibilance to some degree, mostly female vocalists. The three tables are pro-ject the classic with the hana el, music hall mmf7 with factory mounted eroica h, and my brand new thorens td 240-2 with the ortofon om10 also factory installed. My dilemma began with constant worrying about the first table (the pro-ject) as I thought I was hearing a bit of sibilance only on certain records. So I played the very same records, mostly used from thrifts etc, on all three tables and adjusting volume or gain for each. Well, I found that all three table and cartridge combinations exhibit the sibilance in the same parts of songs on each recording. My findings are that what I perceive as higher sibilance on the hana can be contributed to its (imo) better high frequency response. In other words, the other tables and cartridges had the sibilance, but to a lesser prominence, but it WAS there. So my conclusion is that it Is just inherent in the lp medium to some degree, and more so with used records. I have farted around enough with the hana el and I am no longer going to fret over it. I would have a hard time believing that all three tables and cartridges are that badly aligned etc to all cause some sibilance here and there. All three were checked and seem to be dead on. The only table I personally installed cartridge on was the pro- ject (hana el) also, three preamps were tried during testing, my marantz pm14s1 built in, a musical fidelity lx lps, and a pro-ject tube box ds2. Lastly the hana el was adjusted when installed to align with the cartridge body and not the cantilever (just easier imo) using a proper protractor, and the vta was adjusted so that the hana is a bit ass down, as I think the hana sounds right like that. So there is my conclusion. I’ve been reading forum after forum about the sibilance issue somehave, but I think I feel better after doing what I did as described above, and refuse to drive my self nuts any longer!😁
Just to add, the listening was first performed on the other 2 tables, the mmf7 and thorens, again both have factory installed cartridges, also checked by me. In doing so I ruled out the hana inscribing the record grooves with the sibilance in the event its mis aligned, which it is not....
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Here is something to ponder on the subject: I have some 1980 vintage stuff from Til Tuesday. Although the music is very well recorded and full of strong dynamic range, the female vocalist has always had a very harsh sibilance to my ears. In fact I could only listen to a few cuts and I had to drop the volume at certain sections of the singing.

I have not changed out any cartridges to experiment with differences, I am still using my old favorite, the Audio Technica AT20ss and now with a new old stock stylus installed (about 150 hours on it at this point). Nothing seems to knock down the harshness. UNTIL, I installed a new Musical Surroundings Nova III to replace my Gold Note PH10 about two weeks ago. I only have around 15 hours use on the Nova III at this point, however I have done a lot of experimenting with the loading and I wanted to try what I was told on another thread makes a huge difference on MM carts and that is using an input impedance value of 100K ohms. The PH10 doesn’t offer this load, only the ’standard’ 47K. When I switched over to 100K ohms, I was blown away by how much smoother, detailed and open air the mid to upper range was. In fact most of the harsh sibilance was gone. The vocals which were always bothering me seemed to be rather pleasant now. I put on another 80’s recording from Duran Duran, a 12 inch 33rpm single of "The Reflex" which has extraordinary low end, but again the vocals drove me nuts with sibilance. I noticed the exact same improvement, it was pleasant to hear now.

Finally I have the right mix of settings which seemed to have solved a decades old issue for me. A simple change of input loading to 100K with capacitance settings of either 100 pf or 200 pf, depending on how much low end you want.

Just for specification as per the post above me, I am using a VPI Ares3 TT with a SME Series IV tonearm, audio cables which are nothing fancy, but custom made from the guy up in Toronto, ground to the chassis of the Nova III, no ground to earth from the chassis (I used to have one connected, but I developed a sudden ground loop and removing the earth ground solved it).   Cartridge as noted is the AT20ss MM which is lower output for MM at 2.7mv.   Gain on the Nova III is set at 52db after initially running 50db.  
I agree with Kink56,

Spend the money on a top of the line TT and tonearm.   I replaced a mid-line vintage TT with the Ares3 and SME Series IV, it was quite the revelation in all aspects of performance.

I recently sold the vintage TT as I don't ever see myself using it again.