I had the same thoughts as Dan when I read the opening of this thread. It will be easy enough to check out, just try them both ways in your current setup. |
J Hunter: I am curious as to why you would be willing to bet that there would be no audible differences (in most cases) between wires and cable if you have not listened to "many/most" of them yourself (which you have obviously not done, based on your post). It does not seem to be much of a scientific approach on your part, IMO. Granted, I have listened to cables from different manufacturers that sounded very much alike (close but no cigar) and some sounded so awful (even after a few hundred hours of play) that they were sent back. Hearing is believing, but first you must take the time to listen. |
Callahfc: Interesting post, however where do you think that most of us U.S.'ers came from, well it certainly wasn't from the U.S. and most families (that I know anyway) do hang on to many of their cultural though processes (ones that vary from group to group, IMO). In other words I feel that it is easier (and more on the money) to characterize a cultural group than it is to do so to a conglomerate group (namely the U.S.) which is more of a storage than a melting pot. |
Redkiwi: Liguy's comparison is betwwen a Dealer demo and a home audition that also included the bi-wire cables in addition. Dan and myself had hoped that he would do another comparison between bi and single wire, at home, which would paint a much clearer picture of the difference in sound. If they are internally bi-wired cables though I don't know if would be right to use them in single wire mode as I am not familiar with the internaly bi-wired type. And yes, the rest of the comments are just fluff. |
"the comments" meaning my other comments. |
Red and Garfish: So you guys don't think that there is much of a difference between auditioning the same set of speakers in different rooms, with different equipment different cabling. Now I am confused. |
Callahfc: Yes and no, I would guess on agreement. I have a tendency to view America as being divided/segregated on a whole. I do however prefer to live in areas that I find to be a melting pot (we live in West Hollywood, CA right now which is a good example of this) and do not feel comfortable in exclusive areas, regardless of who habitates them. I came from a very mixed family which I am certain influenced me in this regard. Anyway, back to audio and I hope that Liguy will be able to try out the ML's with both single and bi-wiring in his own setup and post the results. |
Garfish: I get it. Can Liguy use the internaly biwired cables both ways to test the difference in sound (hooking up both leads to the low frequency posts with a jumper) or is this not a good thing? It is of course up to Liguy as to whether he wants to perform the test. I do not know if I myself would want to touch a thing at this point if the sound is that nice. I swear that some of the times I have jockied cables around and then put them back in order, the sound was not as good afterward. I am going to pick up one of the "noise sniffer" pens described on the PS Audio site mentioned in another thread for my next cable venture and see if it will take some of the guess work out of it. It also drives my wife nuts when I keep jacking the cables around for days to get the sound back to where it was. Oh, and I wasn't really feeling frisky, just a little gas which is normal for my age. It has passed though. |
JHunter: Auditioning cable is work to me (and I do not do a lot of it). I am certain that I could find better matches, but again I am not willing to put forth the effort. I do not however disbeleive the observations of most others, though it is uncertain as to whether I would hear exactly what they are hearing if I were in the same room at the same time. This whole business is, as always, of a highly personal nature. Redkiwi: I also apoligize for "digging". I have noticed a difference on "some" duplicate A/B discs with the Rainbow Foil but have lacked the concentration as of late to do any serious listening. I am also waiting for the return of my SET amp which due to its greater detail (than my SS amp) will take a lot of the guess work out of testing the foil and will make it an easier and much more enjoyable project (I love the sound of this amp). In addition I am still awaiting the Nueance shelving and am looking into new speaker cable as well, so seem to have quite a lot (for me anyway) stacked up in my audio in box. I also ordered the Absolute power cords to play around with on my power conditioners and as Elizabeth am looking for high quality male IEC plugs as I will need to retrofit such plugs to the Monster HTS2000's. I looking for a CD mat at this point on which to apply the Rainbow foil (instead of applying it to the CD itself). I plan on using two identical (sound wise) CD mats (one with Rainbow foil and one without for the testing). |
Garfish: I was discussing cable in general with Pierre at Mapleshade and got the impression that it is most important to space the channels from each other and not the highs from the lows on one channel (I did this as we were talking on the phone and bingo, much more open sound - boy he/Pierre has a lot of patience). Your situation makes perfect sense, except I never did try spacing the high and the lows as you did. I wish that I would have played around with it more when I had the bi-wire setup, but there is always the next time. And, Liguy, if you are bowled over with your current setup then good for you. As I said above I would be hesitant to touch/move anything. My system has been off since I demoed some wire a friend brought over two weeks ago (the center image moved to the left) and I have not been able to set it right. I am wondering now if I might have damaged my micro wire IC and will switch it out next. |
