I admire Miles Davis, i admire Stravinsky; but i loved Chet Baker and Scriabin...You?


What we listen to we cannot trace always a border between cold or cool admiration and heart wrenching love at first sight....

I admire Bach without limit but i love also him dearly....Here admiration and love are one....

The first time li listen to Chet Baker i was not even sure if it was a great trumpetist, but i love him without knowing why....

More i listen to Miles Davis more i admire him but i still wait for love to come....I like it a lot but it is not love and i know the first time i listen to him why he is a great trumpetist, unlike Chet, his mastering of the instrument was evident.... For Chet i listen not the trumpet but the voice of his instrument, i even forgot he was playing the trumpet and the question if he was great was secondary....Miles was great without any doubts.... But i am in love with Chet because he touch my heart.....



Sometimes the frontier between these 2 are less clear, i admire Brahms but i like him more than i love him.... Bruckner i admire him like a new Bach and i love him like our old grandpa with a feeling that will never end....

I admire Monteverdi at the level of my admiration for Bach, but i like him only , it is not this passionnate love that changes my heart and life like with those i love...

I love Bill Evans dearly but i admire Keith Jarrett greatly but without any passion....

I admire and love Vivaldi at the same times.....

I admire Telemann, Haendel, Haydn more than i love them..... I am in love with Purcell tough and Josquin Desprez.....

I admire Hildegard the Bingen and i love her without words.... I am in love with the organ composer Pachelbel but i only admire Palestrina....

I admire Arvo Part very much, but am i in love? No....Excep perhaps for one or 2 of his work: Alina for example....I admire and love Gorecki symphony of tears but not much the rest....Only respect for the rest of his works....

I admire Arrau, Horowitz, many pianists but am i in love? No, but i am in total love with Ervin Nyiregyházi , Ivan Moravec, or Sofronitsky....

I admire the composer Sorabji almost like Bach but dont feel any love at all....Deep fascination and admiration for a genius  that never speak from the heart to the heart, only from his brain to my brain.... But what a genius ! 

I admire many, many, female singers, but i am in love with only a few, i love Billie Holiday, Marianne Anderson for example....

I will not go on with my list any longer...

But what speak to our heart and what speak to our brain is not the same and sometimes some music speak for us to the 2 part of ourselves...

But one thing must me clear, i dont want to live without the great musicians whom i only admire. I like them like interesting friends, even if i am not changed by love at first sight with them, swimming in the sea of adoration....


What are those you admire but only like ? What are those you clearly are in love with?

When the brain speak first and always, it is admiration and friendship not love.... In love there is a mystery in with we participate and which transform our life....

Those who we admire gives us pleasure.... Those who we love gives us not only that but an ultimate meaning that go to your heart.....


Listening music is learning to listen into the many levels in us where music can reach and transform us.... Each music or musician has this potential to change us at a level or at another one, or at all levels simultaneously....But for sure it is different for each of us......

I apologize if my OP makes no sense for some.... I hope my question will make sense for some....

Thanks......

128x128mahgister

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One of his little heard pieces but a good one {as always ) Wolf . .
If memory serves he was in US when  WWII started and he was told to stay there. But he was too much an Englishman for that .
This was written in 1941 so my guess was its about the American Military Force to come .
Every thing you say is interesting Jim , always a treat !

What I did not say at 2AM is I still try to make room for the music I grew up on , American Big-Band which was THE American music .There are hundreds of people I love there , but one, to me, stands out .Arty Shaw , the great clarinet player and leader of a band that had more
discipline than the Royal Marines .If there is a better instumentalist I have not heard them .
Scotland forever !
You have a point newbee .One I thought of .

Because a song of Beethoven brought Classical to me , I played him all the time for years and finally  got burned out on him .
I still listen to his string quartets perhaps once a week because, to me,that is his best .Glad you did what you did.

My early music composers are in no particular order.
They are so compelling because the Church was the center of life then
and now is an after-thought , if that .
I sat in on a Philosophy class in Paris where the Prof was THE foremost
academic in France in that subject .She said no human will ever be like the early musicians because our brains and souls will never be able to focus as theirs did because of TV etc.

In general I think she was kinda-sorta correct but we do have Arvo Part.
I’m old, it is late and I make a lot of mistakes but i’ll try.


The two composers I love with all heart are Bach and Brahms.


The ones I like very much are Haydn,Mozart, Schubert,Vaughn Williams,Sibelius,Rameau,Part,Puccini, , Janacek., Barber,Elgar,Grieg,Schumann, Dvorak and about 20 others.

I worship Jussi Bjoring . I heard him sing a lovely LvB lider on Armed Forces Radio , the first classical music I ever heard . It was bad day, a very bad day and it was like God had turned on a light in a dark room

to illuminate the world with light and pure beauty , I doubt if I ever would
have come to Classical otherwise , perish the thought !

Perhaps the most important is what I call my "soul cleaners’
Josquin Desprez, Tallis. Byrd., Purcell, Monteverdi, Carlo Gesualdo and handful of other early music  religious composers .




My hero’s in Jazz are Sonny Stitt and Mingus . A Sonny a day puts troubles away.
Also listen to folk music ,mostly Celtic because there is a lot more music
there than one might think and many great composers didn’t use it for no reason.
Cheers !



Indeed .  I should have thought of Orlando Gibbons as well. Has someof the just plain beautiful music(esp. on strings) ever and also  Anthems to the infinite  that are stunning .


To all the Mahler fans , and it seems he has the most. If you are in Vienna(Wien) and you should be because everybody that does such things , including the UN ,says it is the best city in the world to live in .

You must go the Central Cemetery(friedhof). From left to right two other composers. I believe to be his betters, Schubert and Brahms, lay side by side .


But not to worry, just left the around corner from Schubert lies Mahler .When I was there standing before Schubert, two Japanese Couples came next to me . The two men had at least 50 pounds of every know flower which they laid with great care(Japanese) . Then one of the men laid down on Schubert’s resting place and wept like a baby ! The other 3 went to their knees , lowered the heads and raised their hands in prayer . Were still there when I left .
This is Bach's  hello to the New Year beautify played and perfectly sung
by the lady who does him the best , Elly Ameling  .
https://youtu.be/R0wRAt4rIUQ?t=2
Think I will just get to the point .

I believe this the Greatest piece of Music ever written.The first is what you would have heard in a small North German Church in Bach’s Time . I prefer this version.

https://youtu.be/__lCZeePG48?t=1

Full version take your choice .
https://youtu.be/6j8BJ21yLoA?t=3


I VERY seldom use the word genius , Karl Richter was a genius !
https://youtu.be/XXbP055Hx2I
As great as Elly is with Bach, she does even better with Schubert.
If I should get to  Heaven  AND God takes wants I want to hear Arty
Shaw play this jewel .

This is the song that Jussi Bjorling bought me to classical music with and is sung by a artist that was almost as good as he and is VERY
seldom heard today . A scandal !

https://youtu.be/e4SaCYgxze8?t=1

The best thing I ever did was learn German , many thanks to my  Girlfriend (s)  !
mahgister, I am a big fan of la petite bande , but Wachet Auf was not one
of their best outings .

I’m also a big fan of Canada and in your honor I give you a period instrument band of your fellow countrymen playing Bach.


Ever if it’s only Texas North . https://youtu.be/sLHyKl8Y3N8?t=1               Atlantic Bands were busy .
I was in Germany when Christa Ludwig was at her prime and she was, beyond doubt , #1 with the German nation .My best friends sister was an excellent trained singer, leader in a great Choir in Berlin’s Catholic Cathedral.I told her once she sounded like Ludwig , she gave me a dirty look and
said "Bist du verruckt " aka Are you Crazy .


  IMO The glory of 140 as it should be .  .I like to think God would of given him a pass for  even a solo for this music .

https://youtu.be/Cas1jTPU7Cw?t=1
mahgister,
Been listening to my  CBC apt and flinching with Quebec at 5300 gone .Almost exactly  what have here  in MN with almost 3 million population less . NB has 750 K , I  know my old Camp Gage Province  only boards a small piece of Quebec but only 9 gone ?


I can guess what is going on in Quebec but would  like to hear from someone actually there.The National  isn't  much help.
When I taught in Vermont I guided best students to McGill . Which was also my grandmothers birth name .
I’m guessing you were part of the Universite de Montreal ?

This is one of the very best American musicians telling it like is .



https://youtu.be/VYwb7Nt6nkw?t=4












In 30 seconds you can see McGill is at ease in his skin .
Every person on earth has good days and bad ones even if you can’t
see it.Most composers are people .Wagner was the exception .

Here is guy that often looks like he’s ice and is a flame in inside .
https://youtu.be/btrUlL7Hqag?t=1
I’m with you with the great Anglican hymns, jp. 
.
All the Cambridge and Oxford and some Church Choirs are on You Tube ,can be bought on Amazon .

I really liked  this simple coast to coast  of Canadian Anglican Church's  getting ready for Advent . About an hour.
 Just real Christian's  serving God..

https://youtu.be/6_6YoNOiQDk?t=1
If you don't believe me here is Dudamel whipping up the mighty
Berliner Philharmoniker  for " Berliner Luft"   .
In Berlin, it is, literally, sacred .

https://youtu.be/peIEFBlJAy4?t=2
Mahgister,

Gramophone had a 150 known composers , young and old, to name the 3 composers they like best poll about a year ago.
To my surprise and joy , over half of the younger named Janacek.
Things are looking up a bit.
This is one of the best recordings of its type I have ever heard .Both from player and composer.

https://youtu.be/zN8llXUFNxc?t=9

Recorded in Berlin, 2010 for DG    Of course the Berliner Luft ( Berlin Air) gave all a boost. ( NOT a joke)
Well, what about this then toleftears ?
This is me at practice few years ago .

https://youtu.be/IhYPBRedFnI?t=1
Video was by my Phd prof .
Guys , I have a bunch of recordings that I think are from the greatest piano man from Romania .
RADU LUPU .
Got a great second last night,. Joshua Bell was doing an average interview , well the jet-setter is doing over 200 hundred a year, what do
you expect .All of a sudden he stood up lighted like a Christmas tree and started a machine-gun tirade of one audience that is FAR, FAR away from any other in the world .Same one I’ve been telling people for 15 years, The Hungarian in Budapest !!More like a rock concert than a Classical Concert.Teens bring scores ,
200 Hungarians louder than a Rolling Stones concert in Madison Square Garden( well maybe many just as much )




No wonder Adam Fisher is such a great conductor . Been on virtual meth for decades .
Can order A  Blue here but no Poutine(sob)
Order of the day.

Et ta valeur,de foi tremp'ee
Prot'egera nos foyers et  nos droits !
Of course not, impossible to be a war-dog AND and a flake at the same Time . If Canada had a draft..........................