How to upgrade in pieces - or - tell me about your journey!


Hello

I am getting started on my journey into Hifi here and I would be willing to spend about 10k over the course of a couple of years to get my system from where it is today to something a step or two above. I intend for my system to always be a stereo system at heart and also for it to stay all digital (no intention of tape, tuner or vinyl - or eveb a CD player).

My current systems is a Sonos playing Tidal or lossless FLAC files from a NAS drive. The audio outputs of the Sonos get connected to a Jolida JD-202A which is a 40W class AB tube integrated. The speakers are Energy floorstanders.

I am happy for how the system sounds with a limited number of things - such as vocal heavy folk or classic rock (pre-70s) recorded in mono. It sounds integrated across the drivers with no one element of the speaker standing out. The soundstage is narrow, but the imaging is not bad.

Unfortunately, a vast majority of the music I listen to includes
  • A lot of baroque music. So the orchestra sizes are relatively small, but the vocals and melody lines are very nimble and need to be easy to follow for the counterpoint to show.
  • modern electronic music - not dance floor fillers - but more experimental stuff ranging from IDM (Autechre, Chris Clark, Squarepusher) to ambient (Brian Eno, Max Richter)
  • A good bit of classic jazz from the Miles Davis, Coltrane, Ornette Coleman and Herbie Hancock school.
  • Lots of modern pop & rock - including bands like Wilco, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Sufjan Stevens, The National, Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead who include pretty much whatever the hell they want in their music.
My goals are to get a cohesive & well-integrated sound with lots of growl in the lower frequencies and a lots of treble with no "heat" or sizzle to give that sense of extreme clarity. Imaging & dynamics are more important than a massive soundstage, though I would like off axis sound to not be completely unlistenable so that me & a couple of friends can all sit or stand by the couch and enjoy the music. I am much more interested in clear, fast and articulate bass and to have that which exists have power rather than the speaker trying to reproduce things they are going to do a terrible job at. I am happy to supplement my speakers with a JL or REL sub in the future.

So based on wanting to hear the clarity I hear in my headphones (HD650 with a headphone amp) with a similar amount of articulate bass, I want to upgrade my main stereo system in pieces. I want to go about it in the following fashion, knowing that there will be times in the middle of the process where the system will be less than ideal.

  • First, purchase a DAC (looking at the Ayre Codex) & start feeding the Sonos output through that into the amplifier.
  • Second, upgrade the speakers. I am looking to eventually end up with fairly high power solid state, so I am considering the Revel F206 or F208 speakers. I know they will fail to deliver much with my amp and be on the quiet side, but I hope that once I swap out the amp, they will start to sing.
  • Third, find a power amp that can do at least 200W into 8 ohms. Perhaps the Bryston 4BSST2, Plinius, Parasound A21 or Benchmark power amp. Or maybe even a Mcintosh 402. Connect the DAC-pre directly into it via XLR to drive the speakers.
  • Fourth, replace the sonos with a Aurelic Aeries Mini and use the USB out of that device into the Ayre Codex as I hear that it makes a much better sound.
  • Lastly, consider putting a pre-amplifier into the path if necessary and I need expansion options (or if the sound quality of the dac suffers badly due to chopped off bits at low volumes)

So my final system would likely look like

Aurelic Aeries (Mini) -> Ayre Codex DAC -> (Ayre Pre-amp) -> Bryston/Parasound/Plinius/Benchmark/Mcintosh amp -> Revel Performa 3 F208.

I expect this whole process to last me about a couple of years.

Does this sound like a journey worth embarking upon? Anything there that sounds to like it would be a really dumb idea?
badri

Showing 2 responses by 1extreme

I'm new to a lot of this and most everyone I read here seems to know more than I do so take what I say with that qualification....but you are like me in that we both like the same kind of music, varied and diverse. Sometimes you like to listen to acoustical music at lower volumes where you really need a system to reproduce that great mid range. Other times you want to crank it up a bit when you listen to other types of music where you want that bass to come through.

I would suggest to you that rather then achieve what you want with a single system you should consider moving to two separate amp/speaker combos driven by a common preamp and source(s). I believe it is more economical this way than trying to get a single system that plays all types of music perfectly.

If you are happy with your tube amp I would keep that and find great mid range / full range efficient speakers for that. (For your acoustical / voice music you want to keep that tube amp sound.)  For the heavy bass and volume get a good SS amp and "rock" speakers. You don't need a lot of power with the room size you have. Plenty of preamps, amps and speakers out there that are preowned and in great shape. You don't need to spend anywhere near Ten Grand to get where you want to go given your room size and if you are willing to buy preowned.

And I can confirm that when I put just a simple Emotiva Stealth DAC connected to my Sonos the sound improvement was very noticeable and the Stealth is not even a high-end DAC.


@badri I did not get my Sonos upgraded. I don't want to put more $ into the Sonos when a replacement of the Sonos and the DAC may be on my horizon when they move to a second room. But I am hooked on the Sonos mainly because of its Android compatible app. What ever I would switch to would have to have a comparable Android app at least as good as Sonos.

I used to connect my Sonos to my DAC with a Toslink cable but it kept slipping out every time I moved something so I switched to a digital coax connection. Could not find a toslink calble