How to tame a bright system?


Hi all,

I have been facing a problem, the brightness of my system:

Bluesound n130  --- Chord dave ---- audioquest fire (xlr) ---- Etude  ---- copper wire ---- B&W 606s2.

 

The brightness shows up, particularly after I upgrade the cable from the chord company clearway (RCA) to the AQ fire (XLR).  AQ fire really improved everything. However, the high frequency is too cristal to my ears (especially the "ding, ding" sound from the piano, I believe most of the people would love it but not me .... ).  I like the cheap clearway, but it does not have the excellent bass and the dynamic offered by fire. I also tried with AQ Mackenzie (copper) which gives a proper sound but lacks space. I also found the vocal of fire is a bit forward (I am not really big fun of forwarding vocal).

Can someone help to recommend a cable that has everything of clearway but more dynamic and extension at the low end? I think this would be an ideal cable for my current system.

 

If possible, please help to focus on the cable rather than the other components. I know there is a lot to improve, but not at the moment.  Thanks a lot guys!  ;-) 

 

 

 

tension255

Showing 9 responses by snarfie23

Don’t try any new Gear make use of room correction software like mathaudio room eq for free with foobar2000. Atleast do a measurments apply room eq an listen to the result with an without room eq it could be that you have horrible room acoustics. You could be in for a shock. There is no hardware that can compensate that.

I give you a example of my room accoustics.

The Grey line is the measured frequency response. Do you really think you could compensate (sometimes in the higher frequencies a 14db difference) that with any cables, dac, speakers etc etc forget it it is an endless quest that you go into. My or other speakers sounded extremely bright by using the white target curve my sound became completely balanced. If you have a room without any room modes thats another situation but in 90% of the rooms that is not the case. Measuring is knowing.

 

Sure. First off all it is not only software but also hardware that you can add like an carpet, absorption pannels, bass traps. But for practical reasons it is for lots of us not practical. The current room correction software is these days quite good like Dirac, Lyngdorf, REW, Minidsp an mathaudio for instance. Mathaudio is the only free software in combination with Foobar2000 where you don’t need lots of knowledge. For practical use an to find out if Room EQ works for you (an to avoid spending lost of money) connect your DAC to your laptop an connect the DAC to your Amp.

Download the Foobar Mathaudio Room EQ add inn an use Foobar2000 on a windows or OS apple system.

Buy a measuring Mic for instance an UMIK-1 Mic with a Mic standard for best an stable results. Do a multiple measurment as describe on the Mathaudio.com site Vertical.

Listen to the result as you can see in my picture use Room EQ or Bypass.

Decide from there what to do. Most important thing is that you Know what sort of frequencies are amplified or not. When buying a measuring mic atleast you know from than on which speakers to choose from comparing with your room acoustics.

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

@millercarbon

Really whats wrong with measuring even when it cost you Nothing only than a measuring Mic for less than a 100 bucks. If you don’t like the result heck bypass the sound an be happy. Let people decide them self.

 

One of the solution the latest room correction can bring you.

 

  • Corrects deficiencies of room acoustics (multipoint compensation).
  • Corrects acoustic imperfections of speakers.
  • Avoids the pre-echo (pre-ringing) problem of conventional convolver-based room correction systems. The absence of pre-echo ensures the neutrality of the sound.
  • Works in rooms, halls and outdoor venues of any size.
  • Works with zero latency. Perfect for live performances and studio monitoring. Doesn't delay the audio track when playing video.
  • Performs frequency response correction, phase response correction and time domain correction.
  • Quells resonance peaks of frequency response while leaving the deep notches. Avoids the overcompensation which happens in conventional linearizing room correction systems.
  • Manually adjustable level of compensation allows one to reach the maximum transparency of the sound.

@Millercarbon Yes it is copy past because I stated "Its One of the solutions" in this case https://mathaudio.com/room-eq.htm.

https://mathaudio.com/testimonials.htm

I could have taken the same point from other solutions like Dirac, Lyngdorf , REW etc etc.

Point is you avoid the statement from me that really matters "whats wrong with measuring". Further more we could have an endless discussion about EQ, DSP, Room correction an again IMO leave it to the listener that has to decide. Probably we agree on one statement “Music/sound is in the ear of the beholder”.😉

 

@unreceivedogma 

I'm not a acoustic specialist. But i do know that not covering isolation materiales such as rockwool Isover etc could be a health Risk because you could inhale the particals.

So covering your panels with a cloth as i do is a good idea for heath reasons an it looks better 😉

@ditusa  +1

@unreceivedogma +1

If you know that all music that we are listening to is mastered in a control rooms that has invested lots of money (sometimes in a ratio of 20% gear an 80% room treatment) in threating their rooms than it is IMO a no brainer were you have to look for in your own listening environment first. But for practical reasons for lot’s of us it is not really possible to rebuild our room but guess what we have DSP which requires no room treatment at all an can produce a Hugh improvement IF measurements are done correctly which is for the average Joe a pain to accomplish i guess (thats why i use Mathaudio Room EQ a simple free solution that even i can manage).😅

@unreceivedogma

Mathaudio will not help. You have to make a REW measurments than you have to buy a Minidsp an upload the REW measurments into the Minidsp connect the analog recordplayer to the minidsp audio input which translatie an modify the analog input to a digital format which wil be translate back to An anolog signal to your amp. An possible other costly solution is looking for a pre or integrated amp with lyngdorf of dirac live incorporated which probably wil do the same with any analog input as Minidsp does. For instance NAD has such solution.

https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/flex

 

@unreceivedogma

Ok than it’s probably Isover consisting of fiber materials that had to be coverd.