How Science Got Sound Wrong


I don't believe I've posted this before or if it has been posted before but I found it quite interesting despite its technical aspect. I didn't post this for a digital vs analog discussion. We've beat that horse to death several times. I play 90% vinyl. But I still can enjoy my CD's.  

https://www.fairobserver.com/more/science/neil-young-vinyl-lp-records-digital-audio-science-news-wil...
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You are conflating processing with capture. The study showed that processing occurs differently from what was expected. That does not change the fact there are a given number of rods and cones.

Similar for audio, no matter how neurons may process, it does not change the shape of our ears or the construction, or the hair cells and how that will place physical limitations on what can be heard.

I am not sure what dogma you are referring to with previous posters. I have read cogent discussions of digital reproduction and hand waving in response. In Science, theories are very close to facts, they are just called theories due to the rigour to prove anything a "law" in a vast universe.



teo_audio1,289 posts12-16-2019 1:42pm Visual neurons don’t work the way scientists thought, study finds

I know, lets find some flatearthers who think that mathematical analogies mistaken as facts.... somehow represent how people hear.

As they read something about human hearing and decided to force factualize that into the math they learned in some engineering application.

As god knows, since science says there are no facts and all is theory, as thing change constantly..well..

it then makes perfect sense to create a whole wall of facts around the engineering math of sound reproduction and somehow conflate this into some dogma about how humans hear....and all must be that reality....and the rest is just human fallacy, right?

As we know all the math and we know everything about human hearing, right?

Just like we knew everything about human eyesight just yesterday, right?


andy2900 posts12-16-2019 7:07pmWe all know the fate of any thread when people actually argue about what is "science". As they always say, ... yeah good luck with that. I think I'll go watch my paint drying.  


I guess when people cannot form coherent arguments against a concept that does not coincide with their world-view, they have to attack the underlying basis of how that concept was derived.  Sort of weird here, as it appears to be an attempt to use science in a very anti-science attack.
When talking about science, I always quote people who have:
- No training in the sciences
- No experience working in the sciences
- No scientific accomplishments

If you take an excerpt of one of his quotes, he does nail someone pretty accurately though ... ^^^^^^     "speak with little or no authority on the subject matter of which they are so passionate"


I can see why several of you idolize this guy. He is two screws short of a hardware store, convinced that the little voices in his head are real, and that his delusions are the right one, and hence anyone who disagrees with him must be evil, have an agenda, is not using "real" science, etc.

Sound like anyone(s) we know? Sound like the methods and attacks from any people that we know? Sure sounds familiar to me :-)

If you want to win an argument remotely related to science you may NOT want to quote someone:


- With NO scientific training

- With NO experience WORKING in the sciences

- With NO scientific accomplishments.


Furthermore, you MAY want to quote someone playing with a full deck.


Nice catch? .... well you caught something all right, but I hope there is a cure for it.



1- Dan, tell us something about your background.

 

I was born, raised and received my professional training in filmmaking and media production in the New York CIty area.



As a child I had many precognitive dreams. These experiences taught me that our normal perception of reality wasn't the whole picture, and that things went on "behind the scenes" to which our normal senses, and our scientific instruments, seem to be blind. This instilled in me a healthy skepticism toward the limited picture of reality we've been fed by our culture.



In the mid-1960s I was invited by John Keel to accompany him on his research trips to Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where the mysterious Mothman was scaring the wits out of local residents, cops, and no-nonsense private pilots who had seen the enigmatic creature in full flight. This was my first exposure to "high strangeness," and it also taught me a lot about irrational and politicized skepticism. John wrote about some of my adventures in his book, *The Mothman Prophecies*, from which the Richard Gere movie was loosely adapted. It still freaks me out when I recall that I walked across the Silver Bridge less than a week before it collapsed into the Ohio River!

 

During the 1980s I became involved in the research into the apparent anomalies on Mars, initially working with Richard Hoagland and later with the Society for Planetary Seti Research. I'm still on the fence about some of these Mars features, but to me the most interesting part of that experience was my encounter with the bizarre irrationality and bullying tactics of the debunker community, many of whom fancied themselves scientists but were happy to behave perfectly unscientifically when it came to controversial subject matter.

 

Since about 2001 I've been producing some documentaries about scientific research into the afterlife. If you think the notion of ET brings out the bottom-feeding debunkers, just try getting into any inquiry that questions, on science's own terms, the materialist belief that the mind is the brain and that death is the end of awareness. That really drives them crazy!





There has never ever been a successful test of a homeopathic solution. Complete and total failure.  The "memory of water" was a hypothesis with no basis in reality.


In the war between an homeopath for example and some scientist pick by chance in a forum thread, where is the true scientist ?