How much power is enough for B&W Nautilus 804's?


Hello all ... from a recommendation in an earlier post, I went with bi-amping my Nautilus 804's (120 wpc Bryston 3B-ST on tweeters, 250 wpc Bryston 4B-ST on woofers). Per that post, plenty of power on the low end does wonders. It does sound great, but still find the bass not all that (bass player since I was 12 - a few yrs ago). In your opinions, would there be anything to gain by adding another 4B-ST to the mix on the low end? In bridged mode, each pumps 800 wpc into 8 ohms. Would I be doing anything other than putting my 804's into harm's way?

Your advice appreciated. Ed
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Showing 2 responses by almarg

Good comments by the others. Some additional thoughts:

1)If the impedance curve of the N804 is anything like curves I have seen for some of the other Nautilus models, such as the 801, the 4B-ST will most likely not be able to drive their woofer sections properly in bridged mono mode. Note that the power rating of the 4B-ST in bridged mono mode is only specified for an 8 ohm load, and not for a 4 ohm load. The reason for that is that in bridged mono mode the amp outputs "see" a load impedance equal to the speaker impedance divided by 2. Since the speaker's impedance in the mid-bass region (at least for the N801) is less than 4 ohms, it will be seen as less than 2 ohms, which the amp will probably not be able to handle, at least in an optimal manner.

2)I second the question about what preamp are you using to drive the amplifiers, and can you also describe how the preamp and amps are all connected together (e.g., with y-adapters)? Depending on the preamp design and the interconnection configuration, it's possible that bass is being reduced as a result of either impedance incompatibilities (due to the dual loading) or level mismatches (if perhaps you are using an RCA output for one amp and an XLR output for the other).

3)Assuming that you are biamping passively (without an electronic crossover between the preamp and the power amps), using the 4B-ST in bridged mono mode might result in a gain-matching issue between the low and high frequency amps.

4)Assuming that you are biamping passively, you would probably not be able to utilize a lot of the power capability of bridged mono 4B-ST's, because without an electronic crossover ahead of the amps all of the amps have to output a voltage range corresponding to the full frequency range of the signal. Therefore you would not be able to turn up the volume high enough to use much of the power capability of the higher powered amps without overdriving and clipping the lower powered amp.

Regards,
-- Al
Hi Ed,

I'm pretty certain that the output impedance of the Bryston preamp is low enough to be suitable for use with y-adapters, given the input impedances of your (and nearly all other) amps.

I would rule out course of action no. 3 in your list, though. Adding an electronic crossover would eliminate two of the potential issues I listed in my post (the last two), but would not make much if any difference with respect to the first. The somewhat limited current capability of the amp, as addressed in Bombaywalla's post, will assume increased significance in bridged mode as a result of the halved load impedance seen by the amp in that mode.

Good luck in your quest! Regards,
-- Al