I had pay peanuts for my dac and amplifier.... Peanuts for my speakers... My audio system sound quality is equal to most vinyl system under thousands of dollars....
This debate is non sense....Because way to much relative to the price /quality involved....
The key thing in audio are the controls over the 3 embeddings of the system, vinyl or digital one....
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atdavid
I dont believe that ANY reconstruction will be a total accurate simulation of the " original"... All engineering link in the audio recording chain is about trade-off and choices....But you judge too hastily and swiftly and make an implicit equation between the "holographic imaging" for some old guy educated ears, that must be only " crap" for young educated brain...But for my pleasure all that is of no avail because I enjoy tremendously my "illusion"... My best to you ...
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I am now tremendously excited to be old, I understand now very well why my S.P.S NOS dac is so good....But wait guy, be happy too, you will be old sooner than you think …. : ) By the way I want to know if 3-d holographic imaging in headphones or speakers, and natural musical timbre instrument and voices rendering is also the results of very old age with this NOS dac of mine? Let me guess that your answer will be "probably" ….:) «You can’t escape low pass filtering in a NOS DAC either, though some seem to try, and older audiophiles with poor high frequency hearing seem to tolerate them and mistake aliased noise for "air" and "ambience". » atdavid |
mijostynFor sure you are right, most of the times we must compare and choose... But each for their own potentials, digital and analog, are only interactive elements of design in an unbreakable chain that is so mixed that choosing absolutely for one and rejecting the other is neither possible nor desirable, choosing is only possible in a particular context actualizing some possibilities for some people taste and room and system design ... This is my point...My best wishes to you... |
Interesting post Zalive...
For the same reasons your speak about i personally opt for a minimal design NOS battery dac (tda 1543) and to this day i see no limitations in my audio system with it...Upgrading this 24 bucks bidded french battery dac from Ebay is excluded...The S.Q of this dac is so good that each improvement in my system were never dragged behind by it...There is way better than this dac, but way way much costlier...And I dont want to pay for the research and design of some very known dac designer...
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In some room be it the "same" for the experiment the vinyl will be best.... And alternatively in another room, or better said in another audio experiment with other gear and tweaks, and system, the digital will be best...It is a relative comparison, there is no ABSOLUTE answer to that... And no room by itseIf magically decide once and for all that a vinyl rig or a digital rig is the best...This is not only engineering good sense it is basic reasoning...
A vinyl or a digital files are only one factor in a chain of so many factors implicated in a specific audio experience than deciding that in a particular room, be it "the same", vinyl or digital are the winner had no signification except for that particular room, particular audio system, room environment and ears....
It is like tube quality amp. versus S.S. amp. debate controversy, there is no absolute...Sansui takes 25 years to replicate exactly the sound of their best tube amplifier in solid state form and they demonstrate the fact...It is the same thing for engineering digital or vinyl contest...
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I do not evade the question.... My point is about fundamentals to an audiophile experience....And give me the money + these fundamentals implemented in a room I will give you the best of digital or analog "relatively" equal in quality almost on par with each other...Because in a " particular system" the answer will be yes or no relatively to many factors, not only the gear price, but many other factors...People dont understand that the problem cannot be solved in the " same room" because "this same room" is only "a particular room" … In another room the answer will be another answer.... It is basic …:) The digital sound and the vinyl sound dont exist by itself in the blue sky of audio idealities with a value attached to them....They exist implemented and manifest to some ears in a particular environment with a particular audio system...
My point is that money only cannot solve the question once and for all, at least a reasonable amount of money by itself cannot resolve the question once and for all, without taking account of the room grid, house grid, audio electrical grid and mechanical vibrations grid, etc... And the ears factor :) |
Thanks Fleschler for the interesting link...
Not only conventional room treatment is paramount for sound quality, but the treatment of the electrical grid of the house and of the room, and some others unconventional treatment are paramount too for me : Schuman generators modified, Helmholtz resonators (homemade one), and other resonators of my own design (cheap homemade but with astounding results)…
Upgrading an amplifier or a dac, if you had already a good one or even speakers, before implementing these controls methods is for me throwing money without even knowing the real optimal sound of the audio system you already owns before upgrading it...Most audiophile change gear some months apart without addressing any of the fundamentals relatively cheap methods to improve in a stellar way their already very good audio system...
Beside that comparing digital sound and analog one in the abstract, or in a very particular system with a particular files or vinyl in a very particular room in a very particular house is for me without any value for anyone...Except for boasting about your taste or system... Basic problems first...I apologize for my rant and wish the best to all... |
My own system is modest but surprisingly satisfying for me in my quest of sound quality... And experience had lead me to observe that NO audio system at any price sound the same in different room, and that room treatment can make differences in a room that are way bigger that any change of gear, be it a TT or a Dac… I will not even speak of vibration controls, or electromagnetic grid treatment of the house...I read all this thread and many arguments coming from all side are somewhat astute, sound or interestingly thoughtful... But the question of the OP is very difficult to answer in one way or another, without knowing, the room where his audio system will be, nor the way his electromagnetic house grid will be addressed, and which vibration controls methods will be used or not and I dont even speak about the particular hi-level quality gear involved...The level of hi-quality of vinyl and digital gear, side by side in an ascending scale, is one factor only, the room treatment, the vibration controls, and the treatment of the electro-magnetic grid of the house 3 other fundamental factors, and they are other important factors also ( like the source materials etc)… My best to all... |
