How is it ? that a tuner smokes the table ???

Dear Jimpcn: +++++ " its a shocking revelation to me that the tuner is the highest quality source in two channel. " +++++

IMHO and to be a little " wilingness " about it is not the highest quality source only different.

Now, if your +10K analog rig and the ones from your friends are " surpassed " by the tunner then IMHO you and your friends are in serious trouble about not only your analog rig but your whole audio system, at least with analog.

There are other things that maybe could happen for that: that yours music/sound priorities are a little " odd ", that all of you do not have a lot of live music experiences, that the whole set-up is wrong somewhere, that you and your friends are not " golden ears ", that you and your friends like it more the tunner " colorations/distortions ", that, that, that, etc, etc.

I'm not saying that all these can/could happen what I'm saying is that something is wrong or at least out of " standards ". There is nothing wrong with that but your statement is something that happen to you and friends and not with other 99.95% of the analog audio community.

Bis a Bis ( everything the same ) IMHO it is almost impossible ( for normal people ) that many/several of us can/could agree with your statement.

Now, that is a good news for you and your friends because you can/could put on sale the analog rigs and make some money and go on enjoying those very good radio stations, that you have in Toronto , from your remote: that's great.

Btw, some one posted about some specs on FM signal at radio station and told us: " WAY better than ANY phono cartridge. ".
Well, I have some cartridges that are " way better than.... ", to say " any " means an " absolute true " and IMHO nothing is totally perfect to surpass " any ", well like always only my opinion, I respect the other people opinions even if I don't agree with.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Jim: Well it seems to me ( IMHO of course ) that this time we don't learn or discover something " exciting " something that could change what we think/learned ( through the years ) about the analog experience on our home audio systems.

Btw, nice try.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Jim: Thank you for share your system and thank you for the wide explanation, I don't have any doubt that you really enjoy what you have: congratulations, a real passion for audio.


Btw, why no tuner?

regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Jimpcn: +++++ " Raul, that talk about listening to live music is insulting
and ridicoulous! " +++++

well, that was not my intention and maybe from your point of view it could be " ridicoulous " but not insulting because I posted:
+++++ " There are other things that maybe could happen for that... " ++++ and then: +++++ " I'm not saying that all these can/could happen.... " +++++
so please don't take it like the " suit" is exactly on your size.

Those are mere assumptions due that you don't say which is your analog rig: your whole audio system, to figure what is happen down there. Why don't do it? then will be more easy to any one to understand what you are experienced.
If you can please do it, we appreciate that.

Now, I don't have a doubt of what you and your friends are hearing through the tunner, I would like to know why : I always like a rational " explanation " to really understand any subject.

IMHO till this post I don't read objective facts ( other that you and your friends are in love with the tunner source ) that help all of us what is happening and for your words there are happening " great " things, well I and maybe some one else would like to experience those " great " things, maybe duplicate what you have.

Your thread is a interesting one so we can discuss in intelligent/serious way and try to achieve real conclusions.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Jimpcn: Too many tubes and IMHO some in the wrong place but this is for other thread.

Thank you for the info.
Btw, +++++ " I listened to countless analog set ups which were simply nothing special (no depth, no body, no holographic picture, colored in nearly all frequencies etc....) and even expensive Systems can be really boring. " +++++

maybe that " reference " analog system belongs to these kind of audio systems.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Jimpcn: +++++ " but not as good as the tuner; but in areas that are most important to recreate live sound the tuner dose a better job; IMO " +++++

well everyone of us want and look for " recrete live sound ", there is no way this can/could happen because the best we can have is what is on the recording that was take it by the micros and then followed for many steps ( distortions/colorations ) till we have it through a LP.

+++++ " I am convinced that if a record or cd is playing from your CD player or TT, the radio stations same song will always sound better thru this 109 tuner. " +++++

" always sound better ", this is what you heard/hear and what you like and I respect that but I'm trying to figure/wonder why an audio signal ( FM/radio signal ) that pass through at least one-two additional stages ( maybe are 10 or more ) not only does not suffer any degradation ( and this is impossible ) but " suffer " an improvement!!!, how is that? how could happen? do you have a rational/objective explanation? because it does not make any sense, we are in 2009 year not in the 2081 one.

Btw, which audio system you own?, could share with us?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.