How important is the cable between the SUT and phono pre?


I know when using a cable between a MM cartridge and the phono pre it's very important to take into account the capacitance of the cable for cartridge loading.

I don't recall seeing a discussion on the importance of using low capacitance cables between a SUT and  phono pre.  

I picked up a Denon Au-340 to replace my Denon AU-320 in my system and the AU-320 has built in cables that run to the phono pre, hence my question.

Is there a way to figure out the capacitance requirement for this cable or is it not that important? Will a good shielded cable work fine?

I don't want suggestions on some high dollar cables, that will never happen. I have about 15 or 20 pairs of cables that I picked up over the years, I can always go through the pile and measure the capacitance if necessary.

Thanks

 

BillWojo

billwojo

Showing 7 responses by jpjones3318

@jasonbourne52, it's not quite that simple for MM as increasing capacitance will also move the resonant frequency down, depending on the electrical characteristics of the generator, of course.  This is why on a cartridge like the AT150MLX, if you want flat response, the cartridge cannot see more than 150pF.  Also why that cartridge has such a maligned reputation for exaggerated HF response.

@mulveling, looking at transformer equivalent circuits I don't see reflected capacitance.  Reflect impedance, reflected leakage inductance, but not capacitance.  Do you have cite for this?

@billwojo, capacitance on the secondary with load R will form a zobel, which can tune the response of the transformer.  For best performance every SUT should be tuned this way, but as it is cartridge, transformer, and upstream phono stage dependent, it's not practical for the average person.  Just know that changing C on the secondary can have an audible effect, but it's to do with the transformer response itself.  

At the bottom of this page is a tech note from Morgan Jones: https://www.sowter.co.uk/specs/8055.htm

 

 

 

Hi @imhififan, he's basically explaining a zobel like I mention above, and some generic advice that may or may not fit a circumstance.   However, transformers do not reflect secondary load C to the primary.   

Would love to see a cite with a detailed technical explanation.  I can’t find one, equivalent models I can find don’t show it, and a couple EEs I’ve talked to say it doesn’t.  Repeating a formula is not an explanation.  

Thank you for the reference.  Section 1.2.4 is in regard to inter- and intra-winding capacitance and electro-static shielding, which I understand.  While Figure 16 depicts secondary load C as CL, I do not see a reference to it in the text.  This section doesn’t seem to address reflected C.  

No, that's not the problem I was having.  Worked through it with a friend and see that I was not correct.  Regardless, something that actually explains it would be beneficial.  I like to enhance my understanding of things, not just parrot what someone says because they said it.