How do you get past the pops and hiss of LPs?

I will clear this up for you. If you read my posts you will find out I said;

"You do not have to spend a fortune to get good analog sound, that is mostly free of noise (pops & clicks).
A used Systemdeck and a atcoc9 with a Rega arm will sound fantastic ($700 range).
There are many sub 1k rigs that will get you most of the way there." Like the rig you have,inpepin.

Anyway this thread is going in the trash.
So I will sum it up for you losers and say it plain.
lp's rule and have more fidelity even with a pop here and a click there. cd's suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cd's are for lazy clones that are willing to settle for pasteurized music. A Fact some are not willing to explore or admit. The only thing they lose is the music, to bad so sad.

Marty sorry about the 8 Track shot.

This is the same old problem here.
Someone new to analog asks a simple question. Members try to answer it as best as They can.
Then some digivites start to bash analog.

That is were we are once again.

We have been down this road before.
After much debate, digital and analog rigs compared worth 10s of thousands of dollars the verdict is in, lp rules. (check the archives)

The only logical conclusion one can make, if one claims the superiority of digital is that you need to listen to a good analog rig. Believe me, we have been in a place where we once wanted cd to be better, because this medium has a lot going for it. The bottom line for those us that have chosen to abandon digital for critical listening is that lp simply has more music on it, period. Plus a pop or a click once in a while, and maybe some grove noise between tracks. Many lp's play with no noise at all.
The low frequencies are the hardest to trace for the cartridge and track for the arm. It takes a superior combo to dig the information out of those groves. Twl's moded Origin Live silver arm and a Shelter 501 cartridge (Retail is $1,600) with the hi fi mod increases the low end with at least another octave. This is the bass that a cd player cannot match.

You do not have to spend a fortune to get good analog sound, that is mostly free of noise(pops & clicks).
A used Systemdeck and a atcoc9 with a Rega arm will sound fantastic($700 range).
There are many sub 1k rigs that will get you most of the way there.

I hope this clears up some issues.
When you here how great, good analog can sound and if you are willing to put in the effort required in setup,(this can be quite a lot sometimes)it is not plug in and play. You will be rewarded.

inpepinnovations@aol.com Your rig is entry level, you will not be able to retrieve the lower 2 or 3 octaves on this turntable combo + a lot of other music.
I have not used a BPS, many like this budget cartridge.
We talked about this LP noise problem some people have,
a while back, and one of the fellows that was complaining about lp noise was using a BPS. "
Remember I said;

"The low frequencies are the hardest to trace for the cartridge and track for the arm. It takes a superior combo to dig the information out of those groves. Twl's moded Origin Live silver arm and a Shelter 501 cartridge (Retail is $1,600) with the hi fi mod increases the low end with at least another octave"

Eldartford
"Rockinroni...Perhaps your phono pickup could track LF vertical modulation of an LP groove, but there isn't any because the recording engineer was producing the LP for people with ordinary playback equipment."

Eldartford I think you will have to take my word for it. I Can now, get tons of LF, bigtime! The Origin live arm is reported to be one of the best arms right now and Twl's mod alone got me another octave. I personally have heard it this. It is not a point of view, it is fact. A lot of lp's have great bass.

ePbb,"xcept when the planets align and the moon is holding water, he will always hear surface noise from lps, if it is not present when the record is brand spanking new, he just has to wait and eventually the surface noise will be audible"
This statement is misleading because you will not "Always" hear noise. I and others here have stated we hear little or no noise from most lp's we have, many of my LP's are 30 years and older. What has been stated here is (and not very clearly) on a 70's technology turntable you will hear a lot of noise. On a modern high end, properly setup analog rig you will not.
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Unsound
"Is it so hard to understand that different individuals have different priorities and different prejudices?"

Also and more to the point, people have there opinions biased upon their experiences. All have had different experiences that is why we have different opinions. If those who differ with me could hear what I listen to. I believe we would have the same opinion.

Viridian, 8 Tracks SUCK bad, talk about noise.

Jim nice post, but alas your information has fallen on deaf
ears.
You will notice Twl and others have not even bothered to engage these lost souls.

Rich nice of you to finally chime in with your two cents

"Why not just say ... 'our mothers are ugly' ... as well? Thanks for elevating the level of the discussion."

Now that second post of yours has really helped this discussion.
Thanks, because your first post was obliviously from the point of view of someone whom has given up on lp playback. This is an example of the kind of audiophile to whom I referred to from time to time in my other posts.
It did not even merit a response.

At first you try to help, but when you see the people whom you are trying to guide to the light fear the light, and are not of the light,then I no longer am willing to flog a dead horse.

well said Rich, I agree with you, I just get tired of some people who misquote others so they can try to justify their opinions. Sorry for the unprofessionalism on my part.

Sol322 .
I know you meant well but these types of smart aleck, alcoholic comments only serve to further exacerbate the problem. As you can tell by now.