how close in sound can a tube and ss amp sound ?


i have observed threads requesting advice regarding tube sounding solid state amps, within a price point.

i wonder how to confirm such a request.

in addition to recommendations, what about comparing a particular ss amp to a particular tube amp using an experimental design where bias, or preconception has been eliminated ?

has anyone tested the hypothesis that he/she cannot detect the difference between a tube and a ss amp, within the same power range, price point and minimizing interaction problems, such as impedeance mismatches ?

on the other hand if someone is seeking a tube-like sound out of a solid state amp, i would assume that one would use a "classic" sounding tube amp, e.g., cj mv 45, cj 75, cj 100, or cj mv125 as the tube amp and try to find a ss amp that is indistinguishable from the sound of the classic tube amp.

i have found that many ss amps differ with respect to bass and treble response from many tube amps.

in my own case, i would love to find a 120 watt ss amp which sounds like my vtl tube amp. unfortunately, i am not optimistic.

in other threads, some people have stated that it is impossible to find a ss amp that is "tube-like", in the classic sense.
mrtennis

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"But so far no-one is acknowledged as having found a means of causing a transistor amp to actually sound like a tube amp."

I agree for the most part, but see The Carver Challenge for an exception.

I believe Carver marketed an amp based on results of this challenge, but that seems to be the end of it.
I wouldn't expect most people to have clipping on SS amps of say 100 watts or more, unless listening very loudly, inefficient speakers, etc. Admittedly, many tube amps and almost all SET amps are smaller than this. So, while tube amps may clip more gracefully than some SS amps, they are also more likely to clip. So I tend to think that whatever causes the different character of SS and tube amps, it isn't clipping behavior.

I'm especially confident as it relates to my own experience, because this difference is obvious at whisper levels and is similar at normal levels . . .
I think it's true for most of us as well. However, a consideration - especially for a tube amp, where watts is not quite so cheap - is how badly do you need to avoid clipping?

If an amp clips very gracefully (i.e., it only gently compresses the loudest dynamics and sounds good in the process), then it might not make financial sense to buy an amp powerful enough to never clip.

My solid state amps are all large enough to easily stay in the linear range, but I do have a couple small tube amps that I probably drive into clipping on the very loudest peaks. Nevertheless, the nature of these amps is apparent even at very low volumes, so I don't think their clipping behavior explains the "tube sound".

If we were discussing guitar amps, the story would be very different, since distortion is intentional there.
It's not obvious why you're asking. If you're just wondering if it can be done, it has been - read about the Carver challenge. If you have something more practical in mind, what is it exactly?

It's rare in my experience to hear ANY two amps that sound identical, regardless of technology.