CHAH I smell Rhubarb cooken' |
Hey Albert, I'll talk about my own engine thank-you. I had to quit driving once the consumption exceeded the intake, now I'm trying power cords, same damn problem. |
Trelja, if your buddy can get some stuio time to try something, I was thinking that recording a test disk of three power cords would be interesting. This would be better than the "double blind" in that first we wouldn't know wich or if a cord was switched and all the equipment would be exactly the same. I'd love to hear the results of such a test. I'm sure it wouldn't meet mr. 702's "high" standards but it would meet mine. If 702 really wanted it sounds like he has the same ability, but I'm sure he doesn't know wich cords to try, so I think your a better canadate. J.D.
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Hey Albert, have you found it odd that "the" guy who claims no possible change can take place from a power cord should have limited scientific knowledge? I must have missed something, but I was sure "he" had the answers.
Also wondering how power is "pumped", oh well guess I'll believe you in that you speak with a basis of knowledge. |
I disagree Steve. I think science followed audio design. The true pioneers in audio designer are DIY not text books! Audio has grown because kids built systems with Heath kit and the like, then tried other components, no science there, not in a 9 year old soldering with his dad! |
Wellfed, maybe you should take this as a message to go out and try some real power cords! |
Come on 702, the true pioneers in audio design "defined and created" electronics, acoustics, music, and psycho acoustics. For you to twist that fact and have these pioneers designing only after they learned yet undiscovered areas of electronics is, well just plan silly.
I understand you have this image of yourself as a great mind in audio, that's fine we all have our delusions. But you have no right to claim your knowledge in home audio brings you any closer to an understanding of components performance than I or others here at AudiogoN do. It sounds to me that in my 40 years I've learned more with real life practical experience than your commercial experience has taught you regarding home audio. Your delusion of grandeur over this topic is sadly misplaced, if you for one moment would open your mind to the reality of audio reproduction rather than the theory, I think you would make a great addition to this discussion. Until you are able to come down off your throne and walk with us peasants, your ideas are just that, ideas with no practical application. Thank-you for your attempts to teach us, but maybe the teachers are the masses here, maybe the student should sit down and start to listen. J.D.
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Steve, Thank-you for your fine critique of my writing, it means a lot to me.
In answer to your question, no I believe Science and experimenting from hobbyists worked hand and hand to develop audio to where it is today. I also believe that is how it will grow beyond this point. To bad 702, and a few others choose not to work together with us to move forward, but have taken the tact of blank denial.
As far as the rest of your post...................
.......... any one who must try to pump up his chest feathers by letting us all know of his extensive professional experience so we accept his view, must in deed be a weak player. (Please see the past couple months of Mr. 702 postings This man has too often shoved his "knowledge" and "experience as ..." down my throat that yes, I am choking. The way he has chosen to separate himself from the hobbyist only strengthens my "attack". J.D. |
Albert, I was hoping you were going to set up the blindfold kissing thing. You must know some women that could take part. The cloths pin and gloves seems a bit kinky though. I'd rather take my chances with all my senses thanks.
As much as I want to hear your system I will pass on the big group, I already know the outcome so if you don't mind, I'll hold off until I'm in Dallas and hopefully hook up with you for a solo performance. Thanks for the offer, I hope Steve, 702, Jostler and now I guess Fpeel will join you. (if they don't, well it only shows there intent again!)I would love to see there faces!
Anyway keep working on that blind woman thing and thank-you for the gracious offer. J.D.
P.S. I expect the free dinner offer is a standing offer? |
Sorry Fpeel for adding you too. I must be loosing my sense of humor (even as sick as it is) Thanks Dekay for pointing that out, I didn't like the idea of another! J.D. |
Has anyone else heard that the guy who continues to toot his own horn is the same guy that can not get anyone else to toot it for him?
Is any one else as sick of the tooting by the high and mighty as I am? It's all clear to me now! |
I have completed my newest power cord "experiment". I have taken three nights and three different audio friends. I invited them independently over to here the new power cords I just received. I told them they are the latest cord that received all the press at the New York show and that I bought the show set. I set them down to first listen to my existing system with the existing cords in place. We listened to a few tracks of their choice before switching to the "new" cords. I plugged them in, the whole time talking of my excitement and how much I hoped they liked them too. After listening to the same tracks, all three had basically the same comment. They were disappointed with the presentation. Comments included grainy, tighter sound stage, glare, harsh, lack of detail.... I was visibly upset and asked them to try again. Same result, the second time with full conviction rather than guarded concern.
As our session closed, they seemed sheepish as I thanked them for coming. I also thanked them for their honesty and told them that I played a trick on them. I tried to see if the psychological issues talked about here on Audiogon would pan out in the reality of my system. The trick was rather than switching to the "new" fictitious cords I switched to the stock cords that I received with the equipment.
Now we have Redkiwi and myself going back to "test" our stock cords, and for me using the psychology against myself. Both of our findings are the same. So Steve and 702, how do you want to handle these new experiment results? Where is you agreement now? I'm sure you'll find a new tact rather than trying to apply these contradictions to your theories and begin to work on the reality that you don't know enough about this topic to argue your lost case. I'm sure 702 that you'll again tell me you don't understand, that must be a real problem for you, your inability to understand people. IMO your both to stubborn to accept the fact that your dead wrong. Time to wake up, maybe you can disprove my results but until you figure out a way to disprove fact, I'll just accept your weaknesses in science and value your opinion for what it's worth. ZIP |
Hi JHunter,
I now have three NBS Statement power cords, two on my bi-amps (Aloia) and one on my SACD
(SCD-1) player. I have BMI Whales on the pre-amp and suppling my PS300 conditioner.
I have actually done a lot of testing with power cords with these same guys over the years. We have had sessions where they or I are blindfolded and we will try two, maybe three cords. The trick of not switching is a good one to see them squirm, but I've found it meaningless. My experience is it's almost 50/50 as weather they heard anything. I've tried to inject the no switch test a few times in one night and all that happens is confusion from the listener, and then they begin to doubt everything they hear. I'd say my experience with that trick is it may actually be counter productive and invalidates earlier findings.
This blind testing has become a game for us, it's fun to see how well we pick up on subtle changes.
It's not ABX, but I insist the results are as good or better. I have two amps, exactly the same model. We've played with switching between amps with exactly the same interconnect model, of exactly the same age. We have found one of the amps to be a bit better in it's high range than the other (guess which amp is wired to the bass and which to the midrange tweeters). I suppose it could be burn in because they were bought at different times, of it could be shelf placement, or one having cleaner terminals, I happen to believe nothing man made is exact, and two identical pieces are never identical. This is why I believe my testing methods as described many times here on these threads provide more valid results than the clinical approach demanded by some here. It's funny that the demands keep coming for tests, but there are no attempts at real tests by these guys, and a flat un-acceptance of the results reported by so many here on Audiogon. I guess again I'm proven too stupid to understand there higher life form. Happy testing, oh ah listening, no enjoying the music, wasn't that the purpose?
J.D. |
Thank-you Albert, you are a great person! I look forward to your report Jhunter. |
Jhunter, I can assure you from my view you will not be attacked for trying, that's all any of us have asked for. I support your test and will accept your findings for what they are, education. |
Mmccoy, that's a tough question in that I've found a $500 cord (BMI Whale) has bettered quite a few $1500-2000 cords. I've also found on certain equipment a $3000 cord is so much better that it's worth finding at a lesser price. Not only are some cords excellant values and some just names, but my experience proves equipment matching to the cord is equally important. The only way to prove the need on your own system is experimenting with different cords.
Happy listening, and enjoy the music!
J.D. |
Just shut up 7! It's been so nice to have you gone for the past month. I was hoping when you came back you might have tried to learn before opening your mouth. Guess I was wrong. |
Well now I feel bad. When it's looked at that way Red, it all makes sense. That explains why he continues to let us in on some of his career success, he wants us to be impressed and become his friend.
O.K. 7, I'm sorry. Please tell me more about your self so I have a better understanding of you. Maybe you could let me know which shows you've worked on. Your in the business, what studio do you work out of? You must have met some fascinating people along the way. Oh and one last question, why do you insist that power cords make no difference when they clearly do?
Hope to hear more about you soon,
J.D. |
Keep in mind Jhunter that you have shown the integrity to try a power cord on a system you know. I think the reaction you have received (on your other post) shows all we want is open minds. You have separated yourself from the other nay sayers, even though your opinion has not changed.
You've receive my respect, 7 receives nothing for he has offered nothing. So to answer your question, NO! I'm be completely in line given the respect 7 has show me. |
