How am I frying all my amps? Oscillating? Help


Hi. So I'm on my third amp this year.

I had an Adcom GFA-7000 for many years which I gave to a buddy for his birthday so I could get a Krell. The Adcom used to "hum" or "buzz" for five minutes then stop, then start again a few hours later. It wasn't noticeable with the music playing. Also, when nothing was playing, it would pop and hiss when the volume was turned all the way up as if the volume control was directly connected to the speakers and was shorting them or something. It ran for nine years and is still going strong today. It did none of these things when I first got it.

Then I got a Krell KAV-500. There was always something wrong with this amp because it wouldn't turn on when I first got it. Then it did turn on and I used it and it would hum like the Adcom and its volume control noises were even worse. Then it exploded and got sent to Krell for repair (still not back). Also, the Krell would make a horrible buzzing sound when only RCAs or XLRs were plugged into it, no speaker wire (and I tried a dozen different cables as it took only one to reproduce the problem). And when you muted or turned off the pre-amp, the thing would send a horribly loud buzz through the speakers. It did not do this when I first got it.

So I got a Classe CA-200. This amp was dead quiet and had zero problems. Two nights ago I noticed the volume control was being noisy. Last night I noticed the amp hum. So I looked around, and of course, now the thing exhibits all the same traits of the Krell except quieter: volume control noise, buzz when the pre-amp is off or muted, buzz with only ICs connected. I expect it will get louder until it blows up as per the Krell.

My system has changed dramatically between the three amps. There are two commonalities for all of them: Goertz MI2 Veracity Cu speaker cable and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. The Zobels are on the speakers ends of the Goertz cable.

In addition to the speakers and wire, the Krell and Classe have two more in common items: Cary Cinema 11 preamp and PS Audio Ultimate Outlet.

The Adcom never really died. The Krell and Classe look like its going to take about two months each but I find it difficult to believe a Line Conditioner or Preamp can cause this kind of damage. That leaves me to think they are oscillating due to the Goertz cable but I don't know nearly enough about it for this to be anything but an uneducated guess.

I leave everything on all the time. What am I doing to my amps? :-(

Thanks!
leoturetsky

Showing 5 responses by reb1208

There maybe a short in the speakers crossover, preamp could be putting out DC. I'd also can the goertz cable. Certainly don't hook up the repaied amps until you find the problem.

I bet the RF problem is the digital Cary Pre-amp:

From the owners manuel

All of the Main Room audio output connectors have 24-bit/192 kHz D/A converters operating in
dual differential mode for excellent sound quality and high dynamic range. In addition, the
Cinema 11 includes 7.1 channel XLR balanced audio outputs for your main listening room if you
are using a power amplifier with balanced input connections.
The Cinema 11 is designed to remain viable in a future of rapidly emerging digital technologies.
It has a rear panel RS-232 serial port connector provided for home automation serial control and
allows us to perform flash-memory software upgrades with this connection. We have added an
unusual looking 'system link' connector to support digital future expansion for high definition
audio codecs included with the new higher definition video disks now being sold. The system link
connector is available for future new surround modes like Dolby True HD and DTS-HD, making it
possible to more than quadruple the Cinema 11’s tremendous processing power. This connector
is originally from the computer industry and features frequency bandwidth capabilities exceeding
2 gHz! We will make an adapter for video processing to access this connector and offer high
performance video switching and scaling to our users.
"The interesting thing?: I am also using Goertz MI2 Veracity Cu speaker cables. The problems only happened after I started using these cables, which was a couple of months ago. Could the cables really cause these problems, or is it just a coincidence?"

I'd sure hate to find out for myself, but the cable sure is suspect now. If the cable is the cause, not only could the amp be damaged but the passives in the x-over can short out.
I used to own a Classe CA-300 that when run single ended with certain pre-amps, a buzz was heard from the speaker. Ran balanced (XLR), and buzz never occured.

Also, make sure you don't have a source component hooked up that maybe connected to a RG coax TV cable. You'll get a hum for sure.
Class Audio amps of that vintage may already have a zobel network built in at the output connectors. I know my Classe Model 15 does. This may have caused an issue with the additional Goertz Zobel

About the Anthem Pre, are there any tubes inside of it? What type of potentiometer does it have, an Alps carbon plastic motorized pot by any chance? Classe Audio amps have a lowish input sensitivity and tend to amplify small noise issues upstream.

Glad switching to XLR got rid of the hum. I had a hunch it would. I also felt strongly that the Cary digital pre had an issue. I mean no disrespect, but I often question some of the "engineering" going on at Cary.