Higher End DACs


I am looking for a DAC (potentially streamer&DAC) to be paired in a mcintosh system (c1100/611). Its my first foray into digital streaming and I have no need for a CD player.

I see a lot of love for Esoteric, however, most seems to be around their transports? Are they not as renowned for pure digital streaming and/or standalone DACs? I see DCS (for instance) often referenced for standalone DACs - how does Esoteric compare?
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Glass is more transparent to RF but photons can travel through solid building structures, too. Like a knife through butter šŸ§ˆ Ā Elevators (metal) not so much. Thatā€™s why reception improves as you move toward the window in many cases. Depends on where the signal is coming from, etc. Sometimes 24ā€ can make all the difference.
I didnā€™t find where the White Paper discussed RF coming in through the windows. Maybe I missed it. But RF comes in from outside, all kinds of it, where it can easily migrate into unused wall outlets, unused input and output jacks of electronics, holes in electronics, and into unshielded cabling. The entire room is lit up like a Christmas tree. šŸŽ„ As I stated earlier the first line of defense should be the windows. And the unused wall outlets the second line of defense.Ā 
Sorry, I only got as far as the second sentence, ā€œMagnetic transducers (loudspeakers) get perturbed to produce hums and rumbles in sympathy with RF frequencies in the audible range,ā€ Ā before I stopped reading. RF frequencies are not in the audible range. Ā I bet you didnā€™t know this forum was peer reviewed, did you? šŸ˜¬ Shut the cave door and back to pigmy country!
The problem is that everything is affected by RF. Iā€™m not sure thatā€™s saying anything new. But that shouldnā€™t be terribly surprising since the signal itself is RF, no?
Allow me to remind you, gentle readers, claiming to be a perfectionist is just another logical fallacy. Itā€™s along the same lines as Iā€™m a PhD in EE or Iā€™ve been an audiophile for 40 years. You might as well start quoting Shakespeare and Einstein and posting links to How Electricity Works. I havenā€™t met too many audiophiles, by that I mean real audiophiles, not the fake ones, who didnā€™t consider themselves perfectionists. Perfectionism and obsessive compulsive disorder kind of go hand in glove you know.
Speaking of perfectionists one potential problem is see is that human beings are by nature imperfect. And human beings that consider themselves perfect oft work in isolation, developing their own theories of sound and physics. Iā€™m 100% sure there is a logical fallacy in the very concept of referring to oneself as a perfectionist. Argumentum absolutum. šŸ˜¬ Yet, the theories and physics that perfectionIsts develop are frequently DIFFERENT from each other. And if they are different from each other then they all canā€™t be perfect. Make sense? This conundrum I like to call the Stove Piping of audio systems. šŸ­ Itā€™s like musical chairs - you can get stuck without a chair. šŸ¤—
I do not wish to derail this thread, either, but I feel itā€™s worth repeating that by the time the signal arrives at the DAC itā€™s too late, the damage has already been done. The signal is irrevocably distorted as soon as the laser touches the metal layer on the CD and attempts to read the nanoscale data encoded thereon. Itā€™s mostly because of the fluttering and vibration of the disc itself whilst spinning, the effect of external and internal vibration on the signal in wire, fuse and laser assembly, etc. AND the introduction of scattered CD laser light into the photodetector. The Error Correction Codes and the Laser Tracking servo system canā€™t save it. All the Kingā€™s horses and all the Kingā€™s men canā€™t put Humpty Dumpty together again. šŸ„š

No matter how much you have in the end you would have had even more if you had started out with more in the beginning. As the little mice say in the movie Babe šŸ· - Thatā€™s the way things are! šŸŽ¶ You can paint a donkey different colors but itā€™s still a donkey. šŸ¦“
Or do what I do and stop the RF at itā€™s source (coming in through the windows from outside) and turn the entire building into one giant Faraday cage. Problem solved! šŸ¤— itā€™s not that difficult. Furthermore, while not widely known, tiny little bowl resonators are effective in normalizing pressure zones in the room for acoustic wavelengths AND RF wavelengths. Theyā€™re Two! Two mints in one! šŸ‘Æā€ā™€ļø
Iā€™ve said this before but by the time the signal arrives at the DAC itā€™s too late. The damage to the audio signal is done as soon as the laser in the transport strikes the spiral data stream on the metal layer. And thereā€™s almost nothing you can do about it. Thereā€™s no recovery. So, I donā€™t get the whole thing with super-expensive DACs at all. GIGO. šŸ¤—