Newbee I'll look into that bit. I didn't think impedance matching was that important between amp & speakers though. thanks for the heads up.
Metralla
I appreciate the notes on the SE III. I'm in no hurry at all, and might wind up with something other than the two I mentioned. I believe $3k is fair enough a figure, and perhaps some less depending on ownership, age, etc. some do say otherwise though and that's fine too. It's a good thing for equipment to keep it's value... so long as the value is descriminatory, and not simply due to the make and model. Background does play a part IMO.
Again, I'm not dead set on the notion of either a Sonata or Super, I just threw them out there as I had some familiarity with them thus far.
Any other suggestions on them or on different makes & models are certainly needed and appreciated.
If it's a help, I'm inclined to go with Art, Cary, Canary, or VAC by way of amp. Perhaps others, but I'm comfortable with them as my short list.
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Tvad - I think I saw that one already, maybe not. I did see one wherein Duke was telling you stuff about matching the amps impedance or something... I've read so many things these past few weeks my eyes are rectangles... and my ears are worn out... and both PCs are in critical care units.
Duke. "sonatina" or Sonata?
I got the impression from what i've read the Di applito config gives a great dispersion, laterally, and vertically. If done right. but it's a tricky thing to do right. I'm assuming Mr. Bloom figured it out.
Like I said above, neither Alans' nor Israels' units are ones I'm strickly looking at.. just there's some press on each. More on Alans. Bill Cowan who did the review on the coincidents and I e'd some on that topic and given my tastes he said to ensure I stuck with the fabric dome tweets. Suits me. Though I know even fabrics can be tuff just like metal ones. sometimes.
RE: impedance matching of amps
What's what there? I mean how can anyone really know what numbers to look for on amps output impedance when you ain't sure if 'EVERYONE' measures those numbers the same? Some amp makers don't even post those numbers.
...and if they are posted, how do you choose one vs. another given speaker makers aren't all measuring the same either...??? Should I send everything to John Atkinson first? |
Thanks Chezz
I like the Bolero's looks and size. Specs to, but the LaFolia strikes me as probably the better speaker in the Silverline array... for my tastes.
I've also developed an interest in the "Reimer" speakers... but don't know anything much about them except their eff is on up there in the mid 90's and the load is easy at 7 or 8. |
...they got a trial policy now. |
tvad... the 4 ohm bit and old press bothers me. Oh, and the six grand part sort of puts me off too. |
Tvad I noticed you mentioned in another posting that you had heard the Zu units several times, and did not care for them.... what put you off?
I'm fast coming to the opinion either I need just do some limited range spks + sub (s)... OR go with 92+db eff and mid power PP tubes, say 70+ wpc or so. maybe 100.... and get off the worrys of mismatching amps and spkrs.
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I got that impression from just reading... the Definitition however is beyond me. Given also what I just read in your past thread from a Super Eclipse III owner I'm glad my proposal for trade was denied by one, and my thoughts to the other got quashed.
I'm going to try to get some greater value from the used mkt. and have a ceiling of %4K tops. preffereably lower. If that ain't gonna do it, I'll give up. Do an all tube integrated, some monitors and a sub.
Any Silverline owners in the 33624 or so, area? |
Being of questionable stability and yet open to new avenues in audio, I have temporaryily forsaken the high power low eff tandems of amps & speakers, to delve into their relative opposites. Additionally, with the help of some utterly remarkable members advice and assistance, I'll be starting with a new pair of Sonata IIIs so as to pursue that trail.
I bet this is going to be one of those, "six one way, half a dozen", the other sort of things. hide and watch.
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Muscle, huh? Just when you think you're out of the muscle game, they pull ya back in.
For right now, muscle I got. the deal here is to strip away all those unsightly watts clouding up everything and robbing the purity of the first few... or one. The "many or the one?" where's Spock when you need him?
The immediate problem is I'm soon to be without my mainest main speakers. My "fall backs" at 87db, and 4 ohms, need a real shot to play well. hence, until new speakerage is on retainer my amp is bolted and chained to the floor.
Unless I decide to make that really scary 'double move' and do both amp and speakers now. Settling for likely two ways... and a Cary v12, which I see as a step well, ??? not forward.
My trepidation after having read that article "Too set aginst S.E.T.S" is mismatching. it is a far easier path to go bulk rate. Significant power sure opens the door to speakers. then, it's more waht flavor would you like? ...and not, "Well this should work." |
Hmmmm. thanks duke.
With the addition of the Thor MK II preamp, the degree of naturalness in my system has been elevated to no small affair. It's scary good... and as my office/equipment room is immediately adjacent to the listening area, the sound I'm getting from the office is as good or better in terms of realism. really. Not as dynamic to be sure, but mighty authentic sounding.
I've said it before on other issues, I'll say it again. Design topology or configurations is not my forte. neither am I influenced by them. if someone could put together a couple pieces of PVC pipe and a tennis ball, and make it sound super, I'd buy it/them... probably. they'd need painting though.
See, that's what I'm shooting for now. More presence past that which I am getting from soloists and vocalists. I'm mighty close to the I'm there deal... now I want them to be here, sort of deal. hence the notion of the SET approach.
Not hearing any so far, just the Thor PA 30s, but doing a bunch of research on them, I'm positive the richer harmonic textures and filled out imagery are it's mainstays. Suits me. I'm in.
My primary reservation is my tastes in musical genres. I'm prone to more than one or two genre specific arenas. Currently I enjoy immensely large jazz ensembles, same for blues, and R&B, along with the more pallid simplistic virtues of lite jazz, vocals, and acoustical music. So I like a lot of things. ...and yes, even gangsta bluegrass.
BTW... how did you compute the projected SPL vs. Sensitivity of the speakers & power output of the amp? that's a handy item to know. I didn't mean to sound previously like I knew what I was doing. I don't usually, that's why I ask all these dumb questions all the time. I do have the capacity to learn however... and I am.
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