hifi as investment?


Well sort of. I am just starting out in this hobby and having already exchanged a few used components I bought here and later sold- sometimes for the same amount I paid- sometimes for more-

Seeing this has made me consider the idea that one could approach this hobby's acquisitions as a sort of currency. Considering the ease with which many popular components are sold- SCD-1, De Capos, etc. I have begun to realize that it is possible to approach an expensive system with the rational (if art is not enough) that ridiculously expensive components are just another form of money- a temporary resting place for your reserves (of course this considers purchasing used and at a fair price).

I'm looking for nominations. What components are most depreciation proof once they have taken the hit of being used? I want to rationize an absurd purchase and enjoy my monetary reserves while retaining my safety net.

Does anyone else approach it like this? Used Elrods? Don't get me wrong, I'm doing it for the love of music, but a $15000 system requires some consideration of financial prudence right?
wheeler
Ok, given the new, revised topic of what used equipment best holds its value (new equipment will never hold its value, as like a car, once out the door it depreciates immediately), can be used for a while, perhaps a few months to a year and can then be resold for virtually the same price paid:

I recommend that units that require little maintenance (which rules out most tube amps, except preamps, as the tubes last for many years typically). You can buy the tube amps, and they do sound great, but if you have to replace the tubes, it can cost hundreds, perhaps even thousands of dollars, and you are in this to get a free ride as it were, so I recommend against it.

Therefore, I recommend:

Good solid state amps and preamps, including Mark Levinson, Krell, etc...

Very good tube preamps, such as Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, etc..

I don't really recommend :

Turntables, (The cartridges do wear out, and the arms can show signs of use very quickly. If the table is made of acrylic plastic, as so many are, it shows signs of age quickly due to dust being wiped off, and scratching the plastic! Wood can dry out and look aged as well.) But if you insist, I suggest such TT's as the high end SMI (TNT, Aries) or the Basis Deput, or other similar units.

Speakers, but only the highest value, and they need to be in the very best shape for the lowest possible value, as they also double as fine pieces of furniture, such as the Avalon Eidolons. (For some reason, speakers seem to lose the greatest value once taken out the door. They seem to lose 1/3 of the value immediately, and after only a few months, it is not unheard of that the speaker value is down by half. (I know this for a fact, as I was watching the price of the Avalon Eidolons, and Revel Salons and Studios before I purchased my Studios for 1/3 off, and they had not even been taken out of the boxes - in fact they were still sitting at the store, when the new owner sold them to me).

Any cables at all, as they seem to make so many different models each and every year, that after only a year or two, the names start to lose their luster. The caveat here is that if you only keep the cables a short while, you probably can do A/B testing to see which ones you really like. (I bought a less than one year old pair of high end MIT 770 CVT speaker cables only a year or so after they were discontinued, for less than a 1/3 of their normal retail price.)

Digital source components. I recommend against them just for the fact that they seem to be upgrading the technology constantly. The better units do seem to hold their value somewhat, but even those do start to lose value if their own company comes out with a better unit. However, some units, such as the Sony 777es Cd/SACD unit does buck the trend somewhat, although even that $3000 unit can be had for almost half, but it does not seem to be dropping much lately. Other units from Levinson and other good manufacturers also come to mind if you must indulge.

Words of Advice: If you do decide to do this, you must put in your due diligence. You must be constantly scanning all the available used sources, such as Audiogon, ebay, and the used stereo shops that also are on the internet. In this way, you can pick and choose the best available deals, and know what the prices of the different units are actually going for. Don't get hung up on any one piece of equipment, but create a list of items you are interested in and if a real deal shows up, jump on it. You'll find that it will usually be at an auction that this occurs, just because it slips through the cracks. This is exactly how I put together virtually my entire system. I wish I had the money to try what you are attempting, but I have a wife, and a strong desire to remain breathing!)

Remember also, the shorter the amount of time you hold onto a unit, the more value it retains.

Good Luck!
Krell and Levinson SS Amps make sense.

I've mentioned and am leaning toward the SCD-1 (maybe the 777es). These things sell within an hour of posting. Also, its such a beast of a player for $2000 and it has already come down quite a bit from $5000.

One thing though is that the risk increases a bit with speakers like the Avalon Eidolons. You could easily lose a couple grand in a year on those I would think. Perhaps the optimal price range for this "free ride" strategy might be more in the 2500-5000 range for each component.
Wheeler,
I pretty much try to minimize my losses when buying and selling. It seems that digital gear and full range speakers are the ones I expect to take a loss on. Speakers eat up a lot of money on shipping and tend to get hurt during shipping. Digital stuff is like the computer industry IMO, and is always based on the flavor of the year and latest technology buzz.
Wheeler:
I made my entrance into audio in 1956. I can safely say your idea is not unique. There is an old saying,"After you drain the swamp,then you discover the alligators."
Audio as an investment? You have to be kidding. Spotted a Château Palmer 1972, if I remember correctly, the other day and was astounded that the asking price was around $495 a bottle. I bought one around 1982, the time I bought my house, and remember paying something like $50.00 for it. Now that is something that appreciates. Have you ever heard of any piece of audio equipment (except maybe for the very exceptional product like tube tuners) that do anything other than depreciate? Counting yourself lucky because what you bought depreciates less than something else you may have gotten is not a proper yardstick to measure an investment. I suspect you have fallen prey to sellers of high priced goods that like to call an "expense" an "investment", to provide the customer that little extra push to get the person into a comfort zone and to sign on the dotted line. Oh, and as for my investment in the Bordeaux, well my wife and I drank it way before it appreciated in any degree. C'est la vie