Hi Fi Tuning Supreme fuse-Burn In?

Chances are good you connected the Van Den Huls in the “correct” direction whereas the previous interconnects were in the “wrong” direction.

Tip of the day, if you have any other fuses in the system, even stock fuses, they also degrade the sound if not in the right direction. 

Uh, plenty of measurements. Where have you been? Nodding out, again? 😴 By the way, costco_emoji, you seem to be under a misconception. Didn’t your mommy explain to you measurements are not proof? 

davidpritchard725 posts12-06-2018 7:08pmkosst:
Congratulations on your modifications. Certainly a lot of thought and effort. Nelson does encourage the audio community to take his First Watt designs and see how they can be improved.

>>Ah, a valiant attempt at flattery and appeasement goes into the commode. 😥 

Let’s try to get back on track, people. Here’s where we are on this thread. Fuse proponents have provided measurements and listening (empirical) evidence supporting their claims that fuses sound different, that aftermarket fuses sound better than stock fuses and that fuses are directional. On the other hand, naysayers have not provided any evidence to support their claims that fuses are all sound the same and that fuse directionality is not real. Or in some cases, as we have seen recently just bad info or fake info. What naysayers do provide are overly emotional protestations of fake angst, fake disbelief and fake contempt. In fact, everything about the naysayers’ arguments are fake, fake, fake.

Huh? I don’t know what your game is, pal, but obviously HiFi Tuning is a big proponent of fuse directionality. Why do you think HiFi Tuning puts a diode symbol on their fuses? You are either mistaken or don’t know what directionality means.

Infection580 posts12-06-2018 7:05pm

Geoffkait: HiFi Tuning fuses like all fuses are Directional

HiFi Tuning fuses are not directional. I was told this last year by Bernd Ahne from HiFi Tuning.

>>>>That’s so funny I almost forgot to laugh. Why do you think HiFi Tuning published the Data Sheets showing evidence that all fuses are directional, including listening tests? Hel-loo! Maybe your German English language dictionary was broken.

It’s entertainment if you’re easily entertained. For example if you think Love Boat 💕is the greatest TV show ever. Or Fantasy Island. Zee plane, boss! Zee plane! ✈️

I hate to be judgmental but, generally speaking, it appears a winning strategy might be to take whatever kosst_amojan says and do the opposite.

I hate to be judgmental but this appears to be a simple case of ye olde Appeal to Authority. Any naysayer can dig up some authority figure somewhere who agrees with his position. It’s called cherry picking. 🍒

Forgive them for they know not what they do. Even forgive ptss.

Hey, nobody’s right all of the time. We can forgive him RM his mistake.

No one is claiming that high end audio is not a niche hobby. Audiophile fuses are not a major industry. Duh! Nobody ever said they were. That argument is just plain silly. A last ditch effort. However, judging from the numbers of fancy fuses sold, 80,000 or more, things are not going too bad for fancy fuse makers, at least not for the top two or three. SR, HiFi Tuning, Audio Magic. It’s not as if the top fuse makers don’t have other products, except perhaps for HiFi Tuning. The definition of success is not how many you sell but whether the number you can sustain the business. So, from that perspective I’d say aftermarket fuses are a success. High end audio should probably just ignore the angst and anger if the lower echelons of the hobby. They can be so emotional! 😥

All the hot air seems to be coming from your direction. Take your head out of your amp once in a while and take a look around. 

michaelgreenaudio
Directional? Yes they actually are directional. But, can be trained to go the other way, just like cables can (some cables).

>>>>That’s quite ironic because that is what HiFi Tuning said for quite a while. But, HiFi Tuning eventually scrambled on board the fuse directionality train and for the last, I dunno, eight or ten years or so they’ve been marking their fuses with that cute little diode symbol 🔜 and have also published on their website the Data Sheets that support the theory of fuse directionality. Isoclean from Japan has always promoted their fuses as being directional.

It’s really not that difficult to confirm the directionality theory since all fuses, even stock fuses like Littelfuse and Bussman fuses, are directional. I tried this successfully with stock fuses quite some time ago - fuses that had been in the system for more than two years. So, I would not buy into the theory that wire established direction over time. Of course, many high end cable manufacturers mark their cables with directional arrows for a reason. No, I’m not talking about the shielding. It also explains why Audioquest’s new high power cords, just like all of their high end cables including HDMI cables are controlled for directionality.🔛

ramtubes has been on the warpath trying to debunk fuses for at least ten years. Watch out, ramtubes take em scalp. You can’t debunk something that’s not bunk. 

So sayeth Mr. Purple Nose. 

Speaking of HiFi Tuning Fuses, crazy prices over on eBay for new HiFi Tuning Fuses, selected values and types. Check it out, Bubba!!

From what HiFi Tuning says there is actually nothing about the construction of their fuses that could lead to any sort of bad outcome. Fuses are not really rocket science. You simply choose the wire for a given fuse based on whatever temperature you want the element to melt. It’s not complicated. On the other hand, there are certainly reasons not related to the fuse construction that could explain why fuses blow prematurely or whatever. E.g., operator error or the recommended amplifier fuse value was underestimated by the amp manufacturer. By the way, if the vibration damping tube in HiFi Tuning Fuses was actually a problem I’m pretty sure HiFi Tuning would have eliminated it by now. That’s just common sense. As I already mentioned, sand-filled fuses would constrain the plasma as much as a tube damper. Plus there are no issues will sand-filled fuses or liquid filled fuses or beeswax filled fuses, for that matter.

“HiFi Tuning has long been a fan of Germany’s legendary Mundorf capacitors. Revered in audiophile circles for creating gorgeous sounding no-compromise capacitors which grace some of the world’s best electronic designs, Mundorf capacitors are built using a special conductive material. Ultra-pure silver is impregnated with gold creating a material with gobs of resolution and golden warmth; glorious tonal color with truly outstanding dynamic shading, essentially the best of both gold and silver and absolutely no compromise. Each Supreme fuse uses this special material for its end-caps and conductive filament and pure silver solder connects everything. Inside the ceramic casing, Supreme fuses further distinguish themselves by receiving proprietary resonance and quantum treatments.”

Let’s look at the numbers, shall we? What are they, 10,000 or 20,000 to 1? Not very good odds for ye olde skeptic, yes? We get this sort of thing frequently. It disobeys the laws of science and electricity. All fuses are the same. It’s a fraud and a hoax. The usual.

Actually, resistance and conductivity are really addressing the same thing, you know, one being the inverse of the other. Come on, trolls, get with the program! 

analogluvr727 posts12-01-2018 8:02am@geoffkait what is a bouquet fuse, is it made from flowers picked from far away lands with clouds of cotton candy and streams running with single malt whiskey?

>>>>You can dream of Blue Bonnets, Angel Hair and Sweet William If it helps you. Why would I care?

It appears, just going by what customers have reported, while HiFi Tuning fuses are extremely well made and contain very pure metals and pure solder, even quantum treatments, they are not (rpt not) always at the top of the food chain in terms of sound quality. Bouquet fuse makers all seem to have tricks up their sleeves. Some even build their fuses on a stock fuse, or so it would appear, which flies in the face of the pure metals argument. And bouquet fuses vary how they handle RFI/EMI and vibration. Furthermore, it appears “quality of current” plays some role, too, what with the directionality characteristic that all fuses exhibit.

Oopsy Daisy, I’m pretty sure you didn’t mean electrons. We’ve had that chapter already. Electrons don’t really move. Besides you’ve got your vibration control and RFI/EMI stuff and you’ve even got some quantum stuff to consider in the case of HiFi Tuning Fuses.

Two comments. Probably more time is required with full signal to break in. HiFi Tuning fuses like all fuses are Directional so be sure to try both ways.