Hi-End for Black Metal?

Waltwalden,
I've made a very general statement, and I'm sure, there are an exceptions. I can't claim I've heard everything out there, but there is a saying to that effect:" One doesn't need to drink the whole ocean to understand it's salty".
Also, there are some good voices in the hard rock/metal- Bruce Dickinson, Dio, James Hetfield come to mind immediately.
Growling- no, thank you very much sir, I'll pass.

2chnlben,
Couldn't agree with you more. I honestly tried to listen to that estonian band linked here, as well, as many examples of the genre, that my nephew and his friend tried to feed me with- it all sounds utterly the same, low quality of musicianship, lack of musical ideas. Attempt to remain within the boundaries (which are pretty narrow to begin with) of the genre, really hurts the creativity process.
It all sounds forced, artificial and anti- intellectual to me.
The other aspect is the growling of the lead vocalist- is that suppose to convey angst or other strong emotions?
If that's the case, the genre totally failed to employ more subtle and musical ques to do the same, another evidence of the low quality. If your arsenal is growling, high speed guitar playing and lack of any resemblance to melody and rythm, then you're preaching to a very specific type of listener. Being at a few rock shows, I can easily picture the type- majority couln't have care less about the music, it is all about release of emotions in very negative and violent way.
Even my nephew, who listens to nothing else, but metal, said "that's it for me", after attending "Iced Earth" show.
To me, the whole genre has a strong flavor of immaturity, unprofessionalism and lack of musical virtues.
At a risk of making overgeneralized statement, the same goes for rap, as well.
And, BTW, I'm absolutely with Shadorne on AC/DC- recordings and life show- one of the best, I ever attended, minus the crowds.

I disagree with most of what you say in your thread.
What has the hell has intellect got to do with creating music?
Sheer balderdash.

I always felt, that a connection was quite clear.
"balderdash"- that's a new one, never heard it before

Ironmine,
I'll give it a try. Not keeping my hopes high, though.

Just honestly did- it's official, you should give up on me.
Do you drink blood for breakfast? Are you 14 y/o?
Are you serious??? For real, for real?

Gawdbless,
another great one- Poppycock.
And who again mentioned sales? I lost you there.
I'm happy for you, that Black Metal is all you need to satisfy your intellectual needs. Really.
BTW, age has nothing to do with it, and I'm just 15 y/o.

Ironmine,
I agree with you on the function of music, but the means of evoking the emotions are different for different people, and that's where listeners intellect comes into play, or it doesn't. It's just a conduit to our emotions.
I couldn't have said it better, than Parasound63
I don't think you would argue, that experiencing positive emotions from listening to Britney Spears vs. Mozart involves very different types of personality, hence intellect.
I'm happy, that Black metal helps you to have your emotional experiences. I cannot possibly claim the same- I experience nothing, but a repulsion. You sound like a very reasonable and well educated individual, and your affection with the genre double puzzles me.
As a side note- I respect complexity, talent and musicianship of Yes, and I've been to their concert (with Rick Wakeman), but I could never connect emotionally to their music neither.
Black Metal, though is a whole different story... But let me stop here.

Ironmine,
It's not heavy music, that is repulsive to me. I listen
to everything: Metallica, Iron Maiden, Bruce Dickinson, Gov't Mule, Tool, Led Zeppelin, etc., among others.
It's this particular genre, that I can't relate to.
No, I didn't hear Savatage.