Helping a friend build a new system


A good family friend has recently retired and is looking to build a system for his home office. He used to own a nice sound system some 25 years ago but hasn't been actively pursuing the hobby. He was visiting my home a few weeks ago and I guess listening to my system must have inspired him to finally build a new one. He asked me to help set up a new system (new to him, he's willing to buy used). I asked him a bunch of questions to find out what he wants and how much he is willing to spend. His responses are summarized below:

1. Budget -- since he's retired he wants to keep the total system budget to around $7-8K (including cables)
2. Components Needed -- bookshelf speakers, integrated amp, cables. He already has a CD player which would do for now, but he might get into streaming later on. He owns a few hundred CDs.
3. Room size -- around 10x12 with 10 foot ceilings. Fully carpeted with some furniture.  
4. Music genres -- jazz, blues, vocals (he's a big fan of Frank Sinatra, Chet Baker, Billy Holiday, etc.), and R&B
5. Listening preferences -- he is looking for an 'intimate' and cozy experience and wants to try tube amps with high sensitivity bookshelf speakers. He mostly listens at a moderate volume and can be sensitive to high frequencies.

He also mentioned that he has some hearing loss since he's in his early 60s and suffers from a mild case of tinnitus. I'm not sure if this plays a role in the choice of components but I thought it's worth mentioning just in case.

I will really appreciate it if you guys can provide some pointers. Please remember that he is retired so $8k is absolutely the max he can do. System synergy is important. And, please no Tekton or class D recommendations. He really wants to try some affordable tube gear as a starting point.

arafiq

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Build a system around Magnepan 1.7i and Underwood Wally’s LSA Voyager GAN 350 amp.  Use cheap cabling for now.
Unreceivedogma has a good idea in buying a Dynaco 70.  This is a good beginners tube amp.  Tubes4hifi have bern rebuilding and modifying these amps for decades.  Their rebuilt & custom built Dynaco 70 ampsate essentially brand new amplifiers.
Now I see, “ no class D,” and he’s locked into tubes.  Bob Carver has the best bang for the buck in tube amps an
The VTL ST85 is not the warmest sounding tube amp.  Its sound is very similar to a good solid state amp except in lower frequencies where it is inferior to a good solid state amp.  I have read in this forum that customer service is not good though I have not used such myself.
A word of caution about the VTL ST85.  Ive owned one for about 10 years.  It produces a lot of power for an amp based on  4 EL34’s but it’s rough on power tubes.  (I always bias correctly.).   I turned it on yesterday and one EL34 redplated and it blew a B+ fuse.  Now that channel sounds a little off so its off to Roy Mottram for an inspection.
My VTL ST85 is probably 12+ years old as I bought it used.  So the new, integrated VTL may well have a different sound.  During the 10 years I’ve owned it I’ve gone through three or four quads of power tubes and I believe this is related to the large amount of power these amps produce.  For comparison, a Dynaco 70 produces 35 watts/ch with the same power tube complement.  I would advise your friend to learn to bias the power tubes himself and do this frequently.
I was using the VTL driving tweeters in a bi-amped system until I swapped it for a Carver 275 and I much prefer the sound of the Carver and the maintenence, relatively speaking, of the latter, is zero.
You’ve spent a lot on amplification and if his VTL 85 is like mine , it produces 85 watts into 5 ohms, meaning about 70 into 8 ohms, so you’re going to need a speaker with an SPL of 90 IMO, so given what you’ve got left to spend are you stuck with a Klipsch Heresy III or IV?
I’m reading that Vandersteen 1Ci have a sensitivity rating of 90 and are very reasonably priced.