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HELP, Pls - re Automatic Turntables, Vintage/New

Am new to Audiogon but most impressed with the expertise reflected in these posts... Hope you can help me. I'm looking to replace a vintage Denon DP-52F turntable (fully automatic), owned by my 90-year old father.

My dad is an avid audiophile who has traded well over the past 50+ yrs... System includes Audio Research receiver (no model # on face but its '80s-era combination tube & transistor unit), McIntosh MC2505 Power Amp & a McIntosh 2100 amp, McIntosh MR-67 FM tuner (tubes), 2 original Altec-Lansing VOTT speakers (A7s), and 2 Tannoy speakers, one being the classic GRF Corner Horn.

Turntable has been the weakest link... In part because, as he's aged, hands have become unsteady; he needs an automatic table to position the arm for him.

Would be MOST grateful for suggestions on possible replacements for his DP-52F Denon. Have thought to look for other vintage/automatic Denons, but parts availability seems to range from spotty to nil. Have also considered Technics, such as SL-1300MK2/1600MK2... But apparently they have common problem with cueing & auto-lift(costly fix).

Any thoughts on other makes/models to look for -- vintage or new -- would be appreciated. We have a modest budget (up to perhaps $600, give or take)... But dearly hope to find something that will sound as good as that old Denon.

Many thanks!!!
jarthur

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jarthur OP
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Thanks for the Thorens suggestion, I appreciate it. I have read about a relatively new-model Thorens, the TD 190-1 (apparently sister to the Dual CS455); believe these tables are indeed fully automatic. Unfortunately, I've not seen any reviews or reactions favorable enough to encourage me to buy.

Still, it is a possibility to consider... And I'm grateful for the input. Thanks --
jarthur OP
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Thanks very much for additional thoughts on the Thorens, perhaps I should relook it as a prospect... But I think you've hit the big issue on the head, "they just don't make 'em like they used to"... And I'm afraid my dad would find that disappointing.

I did look at the 52-F currently listed on Audiogon, but its operational condition sounds questionable. Do-it-yourself repairs are beyond me... So we might be trading one inoperable 52-F for another that could soon be in similar shape.

Used market may be the best bet though, and the only way to get something close to the quality we'd like for what the budget allows. Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
jarthur OP
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Comparing one "don't make 'em like they used to" table with another -- how would you say the old Denons (like the 52-F) compare with the old Technics, like the SL-1300MK2/1600MK2...?

Are these pretty much comparable tables...?
jarthur OP
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Tubes108 --

Thanks for sharing that info about the Markel... It does indeed sound like a mechanical marvel! Don't know what the odds are of finding such a thing in operable condition, but one never knows.

As for the Tannoys, they are wonderful. They are very rich & mellow-sounding... More subtle, less "bright" than my dad’s two Voice of the Theatres. The massive old GRF Corner horn deserves its reputation as a classic; I can't remember the model # of my dad's other Tannoy, but it is also a big cabinet... Not certain, but I think it has the same 15" dual concentric horn as its larger (and older) brother.

I read a comment recently from someone who once owned a pair of the GRF Corner horn cabinets – said, "I had to sell them to buy a house! I should have rented instead."

Along those lines, glad my dad still has his original Altec-Lansing VOTT A7s... Noticed that A-L is now selling "replicas" of these for more than $12K a pair.

Armstrod --

Thanks for the lead on Technics 1200, I'll check it out. Is it an automatic though, or manual...? My dad's need for auto-functioning is a big constraint, sound quality-wise & in terms of choices... But at 90, I'm just glad his audiophile’s ear has held up better than the steadiness of his hands! Thanks for suggestion--
jarthur OP
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Opalchip,thanks -

I'll take a look at the 45-F. Believe that model wasn't quite as nice as the 52-F, though I can't tell you exactly what the differences were.... Must have been something, based on price though... The 45-F came out about 2-yrs after the 52-F, and sold for around $350 new (vs $500-some for the 52-F). Still, worth a look. Thanks!
jarthur OP
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Thank you for this... I am not familiar with the make or model you mentioned. Will check it out; I appreciate the suggestion!
jarthur OP
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Whoops, the response above was intended for "Sit", regarding the Micro Seiki -- new to me.

To "Inpepinnovations", I am of course familiar with B&O but only in general... Don't know the 4002. Will do a little homework on that one. I've heard some folks say B&O units are more about style than substance, but I have no experience of my own to weigh that against. I know plenty of other people who love them. Maybe it all comes down to which model you're dealing with. Again, my thanks...!
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