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Help mismatch maybe?

Hello folks,

I recently purchased a pair of Quad 21L2's here on Agon. I tried them with some older Adcom electronics, which were uninvolving. Having read alot of good things about Nad products, and since they were in my price range, I purchased a C372 Intergraded amp here on Agon. The sound of the Nad and Quads are very detailed which I like more then less. Although, I would like the sound to be a little fuller & organic in the midrange. As it stands right now, the system sounds as though the treble control is almost maxed and the bass control is half way on the minus side. (I am in tone defeat mode).
My wife who is also my listening buddy, finds the setup too bright for her ears, and she is unable to listen with me now, unless the volume is very low. Our listening tastes in music range from Classical, to Classic Rock to Jazz, to Female/Male vocals, and everything in between.

Our front end consist of a Arcam FMJ CD23. IC's are of the Monster, and Z squared varity. PC's are PS and Z squared types. SC's Monster M2's Speakers are on the long wall in a Near Field configuration far away from the side walls and at least 3 feet from the rear. I have tried various placement scenario's and the NF seems to be the best overall.

Now, Is it possible That the Nad and the Quads are a mismatch?
If so, I would like to keep the Quads. If it's the electronics, I would like to stay with a Intergrated amp.
Are there any simular experiences, or recommendations you could offer?

Any help along these lines would be appreciated.
Thanks.
mickey13

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mickey13 OP
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Hi Art and Jaybo,
Thanks for your input.. As far as speaker placement goes, I have done everything except turn them upsidedown. Room size is ~ 26'L x 16'H Cathedrial ceiling x~12'd. I am really stumped.
Mike
mickey13 OP
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Newbee,
Thanks for your input.. There is nothing I would like better.. unfortunatlly, on the long end I am faced with a fireplace, on the other end, I am looking at a bedroom door. I just about covered all bases before I wrote in for help. I do appreciate your suggestion and under normal circumstances, your suggestion could/would be a remedy. I keep hoping that this mite be a simple fix, and I'm just over looking something obvious.
TNX.
mickey13 OP
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Thanks to all the responses so far. For Mapman, I did check the polarity and every thing is good. Imaging is good vocals front and center. Just too bright. In the openion pole, it's starting to sound like I need a Sub down the line. For now I just need to tame the brightness so my wife can enjoy the music at a reasonable level. Also, trying in another room is impossible and I don't have a basement. Our listening room is also the living room if that matters. A fellow Agoner e-mailed and suggested to go to Home Depot and get some orange and black 14ga extension cord. That sounds like least expensive place to start. I have to go there anyway this weekend. So, I'll see what happens?
mickey13 OP
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Gentelman,
I am out of town as of today due to an illness in the family but have internet capability. Wow, you sure are giving me alot to think about and I appreciate it. I will be home by this weekend. But..guess what? Mb9061 may have hit upon something.. When I purched these speakers, I was advised to tilt the speakers upwards, plus..It was also recommended in a review I had read on the Quads to boot. The review even went on to show a level on top of the speakers indicating the amount of tilt to have. (I have never listened to them level). The point was, to insure the tweeters were at ear level etc. Would'nt it be nuts if that was the problem all along? I can't imagine it could be such a simple fix. But I'm hopeing.. I will keep all of you posted.
Mike
mickey13 OP
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Well,
First of all.. I want to thank each & everyone of you for your time & input to my dilemma. From all your helpful info I was able to put some thoughts together & tame things down enough were my wife can now listen with out running out out the room. The remedy, or at least patial one is as follows:

1. A fellow Agoner e-mailed me a few times with a suggestion to go to Home Depot and get #14 Orange/Red and Black extention cord. They were temporarly out of the 14ga so I got the 12ga. Made up a double 8' run for each Quad to the Nad. Result: Almost immediate improvement. First imperssions (about 4 hours later) a much smoother high end minus that "Bite" that bothered my wife. Second it did not take away the detail (that I like so much) from the Quads.

2. (Approximatly 12 hours later) I moved the Quads closer to the back wall. Rear port 24" from rear wall with ~ 25 degree toe in ~7' apart. Result: Middle starting to fill in nicely and were starting to hear a more organic texture in things like Sax & vocals especially female, like we used to get from our ProAc's. Things are definatly starting to shape up nicely.

3. I played with the tilt,and decided to stay with the recommended amount from the review. The hight of the soundstage seemed like it droped too low in our inviornment with them on a level plane.

Conclusion:

(Well at least my wife can now listen). Oh, and as far as the Bass it has improved, not stronger or louder, but it seems as though it stands out more from the music now. Hopefully as the wire burns in it will get better or until I can save a few Peso's to get the L series sub from Quad.
Thanks (to all) again. It's been fun..

Mike
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