Help me choose - KEF Reference 200 or XQ Series?


My system will be used primarily for home theater (85%). I plan on using a Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi receiver (130 watts per channel over 7 channels at 8 ohms) which I expect will do everything I want. I figure I can always add amps or go to components later if I desire. I currently have a 10” Velodyne subwoofer that I will use until the budget allows an upgrade. The room size is about 23’ wide by 31’ long. I will be using a little more than half of the area for our home theater (14’ x 31’) with the sofa about 12’ back from the HDTV (hopefully a hot new 55” to 80” LCOS display next spring).

My wife and I have listened to a wide range of speakers and really love the sound and imaging of the KEFs. Sorry B&W fans, the sound just didn’t fit our particular tastes though we checked out both the 800 and CDM NT series. I believe this is a one-time, 20+ year shot at buying speakers since we have three young children to raise and educate. With that theory in mind, I think we’ll be best served by buying the best speakers we can possibly afford as we can always upgrade other components later as our budget allows. As we all know, a wholesale change of speakers for a 5.1 or 7.1 HT setup is horrendously expensive to do at once if you are concerned with timbre matching.

As for the speakers, here are my contemplated options:

OPTION #1
Qty Model MSRP Street Used
4 Reference 201 7,000 5,498 3,600
4 KEF Stands 990 856 856
1 Reference 202c 2,000 1,588 1,040

TOTAL 9,990 7,942 5,496

OPTION #2
Qty Model MSRP Street Used
2 Reference 203 5,000 3,949 2,600
2 Reference 201 3,500 2,749 1,800
2 KEF Stands 495 428 428
1 Reference 202c 2,000 1,588 1,040

TOTAL 10,995 8,714 5,868

OPTION #3
Qty Model MSRP Street Used
2 XQ5 3,000 2,445 N/A
2 XQ3 2,000 1,545 N/A
2 KEF Stands 495 428 N/A
1 XQ2c 1,450 1,250 N/A

TOTAL 6,945 5,668 N/A

OPTION #4
Qty Model MSRP Street Used
4 XQ3 4,000 3,090 N/A
2 KEF Stands 990 856 N/A
1 XQ2c 1,450 1,250 N/A

TOTAL 6,440 5,196 N/A

As you can see, the used prices of Options #1 and #2 for KEF Reference Series speakers compares favorably with the street price of the new KEF XQ series to make my decision more challenging. While I would prefer either Option #2 or #3 in order to get the 203 or XQ5 floorstanders, our concern is the ability to fit the larger speakers into the décor of our next home. While floorstanders would work great in our current dedicated HT area, I’d hate to seem them not work out in our next home. The advantage to going with four Reference 201 speakers now is that if it worked out in the future, I could add 203s to the front for an awesome 7.1 setup. Alternatively, I could also do four XQ3s now and add a pair of XQ5s later.

So far, we haven’t been able to demo the KEF Reference Series against the XQ series in the same room. My wife and I feel we can’t go wrong either way assuming that we can find the used Reference series speakers over time. My wife also prefers the look of the Reference series – an always important issue.

Now to my most important question – which option would you choose and more importantly – why?

Thanks much!
zorax2

Showing 4 responses by mark_lp

As a current owner of Kef Reference 2~2's, these are my thoughts. The rears do very little when it comes to music and HT. The fronts and center do most of the work besides the sub. The XQ is way ahead of the Q series. You could also look at last years model of Reference (2~1,2,3,4). You need to decide if this setup will also do 2 channel or not. If it does, then buy the 205's or 2~2's at least and add the XQ3's as rears or even some RDM's(used). The Kef uni-q sound is important to maintain but it is not neccessary to have the same group in one room.(ie all reference or all XQ or all Q)

My only regret in my system is not going separates from the first. buy a used good receiver and a great amp if you can't find a reasonable processor. I just picked up an Anthem MCA5 series II(200w per channel @8ohm) amp to go with my Integra 8.2 receiver. The Integra drove the 2~2's okay but the amp added lots of dynamic and sonic improvements. These Kef can really use lots of power to show their true colors. (BTW, a THX select receiver has the exact same processor as a THX ultra receiver except that it's amp is rated for a smaller room.)

Sorry about the rambling.
I think the Pioneer will do a nice job driving them. You will not fully realize their capability using a source at 130wpc. Similar to my experience.
They are magnetically shielded. My speakers fall closer in sound to the new 200 series but the XQ is not that far away either. The XQ is slightly leaner in the mid-range but definitely above the Q line. You could use the XQ line till the 200 series can be had used.

Hate to throw a monkey wrench in ,but I listened to some Thiel CS 2.3's a few weeks ago and was quite impressed. FWIW.
Yes getting reference for the front left and right is important especially if there are times you want to listen to 2 channel music. If you like the sound of the 203 and 205, I would pick the 205 for the added bass extension long term. You could use almost anything for the rears. I would probably not do the satellites though. Look for some Q or RDM or something similar with the Uni-Q drivers.
For the center channel, you dont have to use the extra large reference center. I think the step down would probably be fine. Remember the larger the speaker the more that receiver has to work to drive it properly.
The Thiels sound very similar to Kef. I only listened for about 10 minutes but the similarity is so close I could not accuartely characterize the differences. I'm thinking of using their in-wall for my second zones.
The XQ and the 200 ref series came out at the same time.
I'm currently running a Velodyne FSR-12 with my Kefs. The Velo is a servo controlled unit and comes with a remote as well. I believe it complements the Kefs nicely because they both happen to have a drier sound and I've always been thrilled by how quickly the sub reports the base and then stops.