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Help for my return to vinyl -- $2K rig.

I'm thinking of buying my first TT, cartridge and phono preamp. I grew up listening to records and have perhaps 100 saved up from my youth.

As part of a move, I decided to upgrade my system, and my dealer is a devout vinyl guy-- I listened to a bunch of vinyl while auditioning amplifiers and really loved the sound. The setup I listened to most was a Rega RP-6 through either a bellari or rega phono stage (I'll just try to forget what I heard through the Shindo/Garrard rig in the big room). I believe that rig gets close to $3K including a cartridge, which is just a bit higher than I want to go at this point. I'm thinking $1,500-$2,000 for a new TT/Cartridge and used phono stage. I don't generally like to buy used components with lots of moving parts, but electronics are generally fine.

System:

Line Magnetic 518IA (22 Watt Integrated 845 SET)
Merlin TSM-MME
Cary 306/200

Here's the thing-- my budget will be high enough next year to get the Rega Rig mentioned above, maybe even something nicer, so if I'm going to be disappointed by the offerings in my current price range, maybe I should just wait a year rather than buying some typical entry-level rig and losing the money the minute I drive them off the lot and realize I want more. OTOH, I'd like to enjoy some vinyl now. I'll appreciate suggestions.

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kiko65
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Your dealer is offering you a great gig for $3,000.00. However, you can do MUCH BETTER! There is an Rega RP40 selling for $995.00 in Agon which is basically an RP6 for $600.00 less. Go for a used P-75 I or II for about $500.00 and buy a new Lyra Delos.

The RP40 comes fitted with a special edition Elys you may be able to sell for $200.00.

I have owned 15+ tables in 25+ years in this hobby and I currently own a heavily modified RP3 that comes closer to RP8 standards with a P-75/Delos combo. To my ears, best combination ever owned.
kiko65
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Yes Sbrownnw,
Exactly the same plinth, double brace tech, tonearm, 24v motor, sub-platter, belt, and bearing assembly. A "metal cap" snaps on top of the sub-platter to fit the glued, two parts glass platter. The only main difference is the addition of the TT-PSU which comes standard with both the RP6 and RP40. Actually, the RP40 has better feet and a better belt plus comes with a cart.

I'm a big fan of Rega. That said, Rega TTs up to the RP6 are considered a great value albeit their limitations. This is why so many Rega owners love to tweak their TTs. Groovetracer's (to name just one company) reference sub-platter (zirconium ball/sapphire thrust plate), delrin platter, and counterweight are superior to Rega's entry level equals, but no longer necessary when you move up to the RP8/RP10 line.

Not to take anything away from the AT cart but the Delos is in another league.
kiko65
279 posts
 
Yes they are Sbrownnw.
kiko65
279 posts
 
Internal reinforcements? Please explain yourself. As far as I know, it's the same plinth with different coating for a high gloss finish, nothing more, nothing less.

I did a head to head comparison with same phono pre and, to my ears, there was no difference between the two.

reason why I ended up buying the RP3. Both great tables but if you like tweaking (like me), the extra money was not worth it.

my current tweaked RP3 gives the RP3 a run for it's money for $2,500.00. A $500.00 saving that I used for a top cart (Lyra Delos).

RP3 plinth w/Doble brace tech, 24V motor, and bearing well, everything else is gone.
RP8 tonearm
Groovetracer reference sub-par
Groovetracer delrin platter
Groovetracer 130 gm counterweight
Edwards Audio little belted
Dayton Audio brass cone threaded footers
Zirconia bearing with sapphire thrust pad.
kiko65
279 posts
 
Darn speller on my cell phone (much easier with the iPad).
I meant that my tweaked RP3 gives the RP8 it's run for the money.
I also meant to say "little belter" and not "belted".
Sorry for the typos.
Sbrownnw,I strongly believe that the RP8 is in another league compared to the RP3 and/or RP6. The way the 24v motor is cased and tuned plus the addition of a much better sub-platter, 3 layer platter, and double pulley/white belt assembly no longer requires any other upgrade from the likes of Groovetracer. The only tweaks I would recommend for the RP8 and/or 10 would be the counterweight.
One thing we can agree on is that Rega's latest incarnation of turntables are far superior than their previous generation. The RB808 is simply one of the best tonearms I've ever owned, comparable to the late RB1000 and, to my ears, better than Linn Ekos. My current TT replaced a rather expensive Linn Sondek LP12/Lingo/Linto/Ekos/Akiva combo and I don't miss it at all!
Happy listening!
kiko65
279 posts
 
Hello Sbrownnw,

Been doing a little research on the Rega TTs and here is what I found:

The RP3 and RP6 plinths are slightly different:

RP6 - made from medium-density fiberboard
RP3 - made from coarser particle board

The finishes are different as I stated before.

The braces are also slightly different:

RP6 - the top brace is a sandwich of aluminum and phenolic RP3 - the top brace is all phenolic

The dustcover hinges are secured diferently:

RP6 - are secured with screws that are an inch and a half long and heavier-gauge
RP3 - used half-inch screws with lighter gauge.

Not sure if any of this will provide a significant sonic improvement/difference (not to my ears).

Anyways, you were right.
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