I've listened to them several times in 2 different settings at a local dealers. Some of the best sounds I have ever heard came from a piano black pair powered by Nagra tubes and a Goldmund cd player. Very 3 dimensional, bass is very customizable to each individual room. Sound better with high quality tubes. They are better than my von schweikert 4.5s overall, and smoother than my apogee mini-grands. See Robert Harley's review in the Absolute Sound. These are great $15K speakers for $10-12K
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