HAVE YOU ARRIVED AT YOUR FINAL SYSTEM AND WHAT’S IN IT? WHAT ARTIST IS YOUR GO TO?

For sure if i win lottery i will buy a 50,000 bucks new audio system...😁😊

Not because i need it , i dont need it at all , my days are filled with music on my well embedded 700 bucks modified headphones or speakers dual system , then unique headphones and unique speakers because modified for the best and i  had passed then with them over the minimal balanced acoustic satisfaction threshold...

I am lower than the optimal balanced acoustics satisfaction threshold, but being on the minimal treshold dont means that timbre of instruments are unnatural, nor means that i lack bass (50 clear hertz on speakers and 25 hertz on headphones ) no more than i lack anything in spatial characteristics of sound nor in immersiveness ...

Then upgrading with a 50,000 bucks system , thanks to the winning lottery, does not means that i need it now to experience audiophile experience at all ...

Why ?

Because before this upgrade i learned acoustics and i learned how to embed my low cost system mechanically electrically and acoustically ...

I suffered all my life listening music , because of bad sound , even owning one of the best speakers in the world , the Tannoy dual concentric ...

Why ?

Because before retirement i never learned acoustics basic science nor anything about embeddings working controls and "tweaks" (which are secondary additions to embeddings controls ) ... I was convinced by marketing and reviewers that in audio only money can talk loud ...

I was ignorant ...

I am no more ignorant ....

I dont need a 50,000 bucks system by frustration because the 700 bucks one is bad or defective, it is not ...

The upgrading will not be a SOLUTION but only a cherry on an acoustic cake i control at will and it will be another costlier synergetical system because now i know what is electrical and acoustical synergy ...

Acousticians dont care about the audio design price if the audio design is synergetical and relatively good , and they not how to put any good audio system at any price on his corresponding moon for sure , a 700 bucks system dont compete with a 50,000 one... But the two can be stellar in their own way ...

I never said anything against those who spend big money and know how to do it...

And there is many of them here...

For example ghdprentice or mike lavigne and others ...

Read my posts in their context thread and answering some specific other posts...

If you think that what i said is directed  to you personally then there is nothing i can do ...

Many knows that price tag had no direct relation to good sound ... There is many other factors...

If my description fit you too much i am sorry but it was not adressed to you but to beginners because they must learn that all audiophiles dont have costly gear and they must know the truth about what to do BEFORE giving too much way too soon in their journey ... And they must learn that this hobby is about music and acoustics and learnings and experiments more than about the higher possible expanse and so called upgrades ...

By the way you are wrong.... There is not two path: one expansive and the other low cost... There is ONE PATH: acoustics science and embeddings controls of mechanical and electrical and acoustical for ANY SYSTEM AT ANY PRICE ....

It is you because you felt to be wrongly my target that confuse thing... Not me ...

Pass over my posts if you dont like them...Beginners need to hear another voice that dont enumerate branded name of always costlier piece of gear to buy ...I am not against enumerating the possible pieces of costly gear and their qualities... it is useful ... But my insistance on acoustics for example instead of gear upgrade is useful too ...

By the way i am one of the rare to claim that audiophile level experience is possible at ANY COST in a minimal way for sure if we learn what to do ... I never pretended that my lost cost speakers beat the best there is over them ...I pretend that they are transformed by the way i used them as any speakers at any price can be ...

Read this thread and others and you will read people bragging without end about gear piece they just purchase ...

I prefer to say other things which are forgotten if you gave me the permission for sure......😊

my best to you ...

While I have enjoyed several of your posts, this constant put down of those who choose to follow a different path than the one you walk down, is getting very long in the tooth, and frankly, a bit insulting. So throw me a bone and in the future, begin and end your posts with IMHO, as that is all it is, and your are entitled to it.

Cheers

Acoustical satisfaction exist at ANY PRICE ... Minimal acoustic satisfaction and also optimal and very high acoustic satisfaction ...

And end game SOUND system , independantly of price, is a system able to translate MUSIC in a way we forgot sound qualities or their lacks...

People with money to throw out of the windows, or people with no clue in acoustics , or people who listen the sounds of the changing gear on 10 audiophile albums, or people obsessive compulsive with a perfectionism bent which is abnormal, or people fragile and susceptible to be influenced a lot by marketing publicity and reviewers , all those people out of desesperation often or often by their expanse habits buy upgrades on a monthly schedule like dogs pursuing their tails...

Other like me , once the search for synergy between components is done , when they have it, their hobby is not expanse of money in upgrade because the higher cost is supposed to be better , no, their hobby is learnings and experiments at low cost if possible and learnings how to listen music with acoustic and learning how to listen acoustic with music...

I am happy thanks to what i learned not only and mainly from what i bought ...I am done because music fill my life and in spite of his limitations (speakers) i dont felt any defects on my system now ...

My hobby is music now and i begin to think that many their hobby is expanse and upgrades with no clue about the way to embed anything rightfully so that the system could be transformed as any system MUST BE ...

Many audiophiles pay, plug and play then pay for an upgrade..I study, debug and dont pay, my upgrade is learning how to create better control over the system at low cost... 😁 It was a success ...

I have nothing against people able to afford very costly system , i am not OK with the necessary claim that the higher the price tag the better it is... It is false and not only that, a frequent error is upgrading BEFORE learning how to embed a system in his 3 working dimensions... My post is for the benefit of beginners or low budget audiophiles ...

for those playing in the high end systems sandbox, there is NO END GAME SYSTEM …..there exists only your CURRENT system ….

For sure you are right...

We all learn the hard way , i am not an exception to this rule ...

But my point is about those who are more fixed on price tag than on acoustic basic... And about the fact that we must learn and study basic and experiment a bit BEFORE any big upgrade...Upgrades dont replace understanding ...

A low cost system can be outstanding in his own way if there is electrical and acoustical synergy   between the components and  if all system is well embedded in the three working dimensions  ... Mine is ... Thats my points...

@mahgister

And changing the goal post by upgrades is not so easy as purchasing new electronic design as plug and play as many thought here ...

I think it’s a safe bet that most of us here understand that changing components often results in having to rebalance the system.

Purchasing is not understanding ...

No, but buying the wrong gear can lead to understanding. At least, this has been true in my case! "Learning the hard way" is not optimal but it is (if we are paying attention) effective!

A low cost system is not NECESSARILY an acoustically low end system...

If you were more informed you will know that the AKG K340 was the best headphone of his days with the top Stax...

The Sansui alpha is a top amp. even for today...

Is there better ? Yes...

But going from the minimal acoustic satisfaction threshold to the optimal one cost a LOT of money and more than money : you need specific acoustic knowledge ...Money dont necessarily buy good sound , inform yourself ...

People having money and knowledge are not so numerous, even here ...

And changing the goal post by upgrades is not so easy as purchasing new electronic design as plug and play as many thought here ...

At least i know exactly why i dont need to upgrade even with a better component ...And i understand exactly why i am satisfied and it is not by frustration at all and not because i accepted my system status as low fi.... It is not that at all ...I dont judge with price tag as you seems to do...

I own one among the best low cost system of the world and i created it  and optimize it by the way ...😊

Purchasing is not understanding ...

Marketting is not acoustic and psycho-acoustic knowledge , buying is not knowing etc ...

My post was necessary answering your post because beginners coming here and reading your common place fallacy that higher cost is always  better and paying more is enough ,  will be informed that the owner manual of an upgrade costly component dont replace experiments and working embeddings controls especially in acoustic ...

😊😉😁

I notice many of those who have declared their system "done" have relatively low end systems while those of us with less ability to control capital expenditures know that we will probably keep upgrading. 😎

My system is so satisfying that it is final...

Active speakers with 6 modifications i made and i place them in their acoustic corner : M-Audio AV40..

Dac Nos Battery TDA 1543 by Christophe Mariac...

My main system :

AKG K340 modified and optimized  , Hidizs AP 80 pro battery dac ...

Sansui Alpha 607i as amplifier for them ...

The last time i tried to upgrade appeared as  an error...

One of the best dedicated headphone in the world never beat my Sansui headpone out ...

why ?

Because an electrical synergy is not an acoustical experienced synergy ...

You can have a measured well done electrical synergy and a bad acoustical synergy ...

A good acoustical synergy implicate an electrical synergy but an electrical synergy dont necessarily implicate an acoustical synergy ...

it is especially true with an hybrid headphone with inside an acoustic device and a dual acoustic chamber...

i will replace a defectuous component perhaps but i will not "upgrade"... the reason is simple , i am on the minimal threshold of acoustic satisfaction , to go on the optimal acoustic satisfaction threshold , i will go from 700 bucks system to over 10,000 bucks at least perhaps 15,000 replacing each part ... It is meaningless because the distance between these two acoustic tresholds is less than the distance from regular not well embedded system and really well synergetical and well embedded one generally ...

Those of you with costly system , dont think i am deaf .... i was able to mechanically tune my room... Try it ... 😁