Have Passive Preamps Finally Come of Age?


Back in the late 90s (eons ago) I tried a variety of passive preamps (PPs). The most musical was an autoformer, but back then my system was not balanced. For the last decade I have been using active preamps, both tube and solid state, but finding a quality balanced preamp under $4K is damn near impossible. Enter the Parasound P5 (2.1), which in addition to having balanced I/Os, it has a separate bass management circuit (MSRP $1095), and I was hoping it would provide better control over the built in class D plates incorporated into my 2 SVS powered subs, whose volume controls are STUPIDLY sensitive: when barely cracked from zero they overwhelm. Alas, no bueno. 

Recently i watched a PS Audio YT video that was emphatic about NOT connecting powered subs with interconnects; instead he recommends speaker cables piggybacked off the main systems amp/s. I had a spare set of DIY flat copper cables, and was shocked how much better they sounded, but doing so did not change the  volume control problem and unfortunately this id not bypass the SVS amps whose class D chips are now ancient. Thinking there could be an impedance problem led me to revisit PPs.

I sold my P5 and was using the XLR outs from my Oppo 105 (upgraded power supply and IEC/wiring to the power supply) direct to my Emerald Physics 100.2SEs (class D). The noise floor dropped tremendously, allowing me a much better view into the music. My Core Power Technologies 1800 PLC had more than a little to do with this, but...  

Days of PP research later, I came across LDRs, which seem like the ultimate PP option, but XLR versions are ~ $2K and up, with the Tortuga coming in at $2700, seems like a true SOTA bargain, just not in my current budget. Scouring the' for sale' sites I came across a Hattor XLR (MSRP $995) which was in my price range. Hattor's www had links to 2 reviews both were extremely positive: one used it in combination with a class D amp. Bingo! I snapped it up.

It arrived late yesterday, although Hattor's www pictures look awesome, they do not compare to seeing and touching it. The metal carrying case was an indication of the designer's dedication. This is an etremely well made piece of kit, but how does it sound? Alas it came with no manual and Hattor's site does not have a PDF. How hard can it be to hook up? Well, after a couple scary minutes, I discovered that it would not light up until I connected the 105. 

Stone cold, the first thing that shocked me was a further reduction in noise floor and an incredibly wide and deep sound stage, but as can be expected, it was dry. Fingers crossed, in about a half hour I began to be rewarded with texture as well. Tis only got better as the night wore on

I hope somebody chimes in with their Tortuga experience, or any other high quality PP information.that goes under the reporting radar. 
tweak1

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Hey Passive peeps! 
I feel like I read something about this but I can’t find it right away... 

howdo we feel about XLR out of DAC > Passive > SE out to SE amp??? Any downsides, asumming the rest of the scenario is working well?? 
Id like to use the SE out of DAC to another preamp and XLR out to the passive...but amp is only SE. 
Gear: Terminator DAC, Hattor passive, Wells Innamorata Signature amp. 


^ I should clarify... XLR out of DAC -as well as- SE out of DAC. That is not meant read a daisychaining two preamps. 
George, 
the AMR DAC was many years ago.

The Denafrips Terminator DAC I have now has single ended and XLR outputs. The SE outputs are going to an active preamp. I’m hoping to use the XLR outputs of the DAC to the Hattor passive pre, then SE out of the passive to my SE amp. That way all I’ll have to do is swap cable at the amp, because curently, I have to swap cables at the DAC and at the amp, when I want to enjoy the other preamp path.

Glad to hear there is no problem in mixing XLR through passive pre to SE. 


@georgehifi 
im not the most technical...so I need to make sure I’m understanding and what I’m asking them... So what you’re saying is that you are not sure if the balanced XLR outputs might load (or flip?) phase differently IF the SE output ALSO has cables connected to a preamp? If this is the case, would it matter if SE pathway preamp is OFF while using the XLR/passive pre pathway? 
George,
ah, ok! Exactly the clarification I needed to make sure I was following. 
Thank you so very much for your help!