Has anyone made the jump to $uper High end and were disappointed?


I'm talking $50,000 and higher amps, speakers, cablesetc. I know there is excellent sounding gear from $100 to infinity (much is system dependent, room, etc). However, just curious if someone made the leap and deep down realize the "expected" sound quality jump was not as much as the price jump. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to make that jump. However, looking at another forum's thread about price point of diminishing returns got me wondering if anyone had buyers remorse. It's not easy to just "flip" a super high priced component. 
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The great thing about living in 2017 is that there are so much more options to control sound and create a level in realims what was not even possible in the past.

But regardless money facts still proof that most products and also brands do miss essential parts which are needed to create an audiosystem what is able to reveal all the information of a recording

Money does not garantee you anything in audio. And also for ’Highend’ you do not get a stunning level based on the price it cost. I talked this year to different people who work in audio for a long time and also visited The CES this year. Highend is changing and it is not that possitive many said. They all see the decreasing market.

It proofs that they way both sound&vision are done all over the world needs to change. The average age on audioshows also proof that the ’new’ generation is a lot less interested in both sound&vision.

I visited Munic ’Highend’ 2 times and I will visited it next year again. I was surprised about the limited knowledge and insight of the people who gave the demoes. Many are just business people.

Over 90% of all the demoes where given in a 2D stage. People can hear in a 3D spectrum. So when you want to play audio at a high level it needs to be able to create a stunning 3D holographic stage. In all other situations you are not even allowed to use the word ’highend’

But.....there is a much bigger problem in audio than the lack of a 3D stage. Many digital sources, dacs and products are not able to create a good level in diversity in sound.

Diversity in sound is the essential part of music what influences our emotion during listening to our music. Because based on facts we humans do not feel a lot of emotion when we hear to music and sound what lacks diversity in sound.

This is what is needed to get excited, intense and emotional. Because this is how our emotion works. At shows people often have no idea what the reason is why most demoes are not able to make them excited.

The most common reaction during shows is the fact that people miss the real emotion of most systems at an audioshow.

When you do not understand both sound and music, you never will understand audio. This is the key part where it all goes wrong. To control and guide your system you need to understand why the stage and sound is what you hear.

For this you need to know and understand all the different properties of sound, the acoustics and the other parts who negative influences the sound and stage.

There is no other way to understand it and create the sound and stage you would like to get. Because the way audio is done all over the world is by trial and error. This is like Russian Roulette.

When you change a loudspeaker, cable, amp, source etc by another one. You need to understand first which properties you took out by changing it to another product. And which properties you brought in when you changed it.

Because the sound and stage of your system at home is being created by all the properties of all the parts togheter, the acoustics and the other parts who negative influences the sound and stage.

This proofs how complex sound is. And for a good result you need a system what owns all the different properties sound is being formed at.

When an audio system can reveal more different properties it will be able to create a higher level in emotion for each single person. Because all the different properties of sound can influence our emotion.

This is why ’highend’ does not garantee you anthing. Because people focus on brands and products. In most situations this will not create a sound and stage what will be so exciting that you want to listen to it day by day.

You need the right properties to come as close as possible to how music sound in real and how it is being projected in space. And again most products and brands proof on facts that they miss essential parts of sound.

It doesn’t matter which combination you will make, the sound and stage will be incomplete. All people will feel and experience a much lower level in emotion and intensity during listening to music.

Because you need an audiosystem what can reveal all the information of the recording. Because all the emotion of music is on the recording.

This means you need an audiosystem what can reveal all the layers and information of the recording.

We see and hear that when music is being played with all the layers and properties people become excited and many even emotional.

This is what you need to make the ’new’ generation also interested in audio. We humans are always  looking for emotion. No incomplete audio system will ever be used and liked by any person for a long period.
The thing what I hope people will learn and understand is that trial en error does not garantee you anything. Regardless price, even highend products and brands do not garantee you anything either.

Shows and many shops proof that they do not understand sound and music. So you need to start where it begins. And that is music. From this you need to learn to use audio from a different perspective.

When people all keep on focusing on products and brands they will limit themselves until the end. You need a mindset to understand that there is a much better way of creating an audiosystem what will be more complete and more sounding as in real.

The emotion of music needs to be revealed by your system at home. Systems created by trial and error proof on facts that they are incomplete. It is a 100% illusion to believe that an audio system created by trial and error is a personal thing. And that this will create the best results for you.

In over 8 years we proved that each system what went from 2D to 3D make a huge difference in how often a person uses his system. Because we read a lot about how our emotion works. And especially regarding music.

Another big step we made was focusing on diversity in sound. And this also makes a huge difference in how music is being experienced.

At the end emotion is what music is. So this is what your systems need to be able to create and reveal. When you compare and test many products as we did, the facts proof that many products will never be able to create all the properties of sound.

The main reason for this is that the people who create them have less insight and knowledge about music either. In can garantee you all overhere at Audiogon that at the end it has nothing to do with money. More money does not garantee you a better result at all. But....using the right properties will.

Because you can create even systems for reasonable prices which many of you overhere can afford. When you create products on properties it is a lot more easy to create a much higher level for the same kind of money by trial and error.

The other thing what is needed are DSP roomacoustsic systems for all people. They will make a big difference and will bring the quality in both sound and realism to a much higher level.

The acoustics of rooms limit the endresults a lot. When I see and hear how limited the insight and knowledge is in this part it proofs that most people still think it is 1980.


I talked this year to over 20 people who also work in audio for a long time. And I asked them different questions of none they could answer. They all agreed that they work by trial and error and never have no idea why the stage and sound is what they hear.

When I explained how I work they understand directly that it is a lot more precise and accurate. The people who auditioned my systems or some of my clienst understand exactly why we have no competition.

We create both sound and vision on properties. This will win in each individual situation of any trail and error system. Because all these systems have no foundation on how they have been created.

Tru-Fi can easily proof what is missing. Because this is how we work. I never met any person who said: I prefer my incomplete audiosystem.

Because each single person on this planet will prefer any system what can reveal more details and emotion. That is why I will use conservatorium students to proof that Tru-Fi is a mirror of how voices and instruments sound and are being projected into space.

We only work by facts!
Tru-Fi is a different and more effective way to create an audiosystem. But when you focus on brands we use and think I did not find these products were that special, you are probable right.

A Monitor Audio loudspeaker in any trial and error shop is not the same product as it is in a Tru-Fi system. Based on the fact that these dealers can only use a small part of all the properties these speakers own.

I have different clients who said; in the past when I auditioned Monitor Audio I was not that impressed. Or when I would not have visited you I don’t think I would have bought a Monitor Audio set.

When I test and do research I am only looking for properties. This is a level most people can never use and reach. I am aware of how difficult it is. It took my almost 20 years to be able to extract each single product.

In the price range Monitor Audio operates there is no other brand what gives me those properties I need and want that easy. Because most brands are 2D on facts. Each single 2D brand or product will never make any person excited and emotional for a long period.

People who visite me the first time are often impressed how much different any Monitor Audio loudspeaker sounds compared to any trial and error shop.

At the first few seconds you are aware that you are listening to a different level in both sound and emotion. Tru-Fi can also create a superior level of other brands. You just need the right properties.

We are Lumin dealer as well. Again we create a level with Lumin what is in it’s own league. Because we use the properties to the max. We modify the players internal. We use different tools to improve them. We modify poweramps and a lot more.

My goal is always creating a superior level in both sound quality and emotion compared to any other product for the same money. A perfectionist only wants to win and outperform.

I see both sound&vision as a game and I love it. I only want to outperfrom any other audio company in the world. This is how I create superior quality and the highest level in emotion. 

In my world there is no place for second best. That is only for born losers. For a normal person it is not possible to understand how much further I go into details. And how precise I work. It goes so far beyond your imagination.

When I see pictures of highend systems I can see many mistakes already. Because they make mistakes in things I tested why they have a limiting influence.

Thousands of tests means you want to understand as much as possible. And to improve both sound&vision over and over again. We are now talking with manufacturers to bring both sound&vision to a much higher level than where it stands now.

The inferior level of trial and error will only decrease the audio market. There is not even a discussion about this possible. Trail and error is pure blindness and having no idea to do it differently.








@stfoth; what I know for 100% sure is that your Bluesound cannot reveal all the properties of sound.


The Everest are discontinued cables. Are not there anymore for many many years. Second the most expensive hdmi cable is the Diamond and costs 935 dollar. 

You are talking nonsense. The Hurricane is even in the US below 1500 dollar. The most expensive one the Dragon is  below 5000 dollar.

Audio is all about facts :)




The sound you hear is the best proof of everything. This is what you get at the end. People choose the sound what influences their emotion the most. So it is for every one overhere to understand that music is emotion.

So you need to create the sound and stage what is the most convincing and intense. Did you ever think about how the sound of voices and instruments is being formed and created.

This is needed to understand audio at all. You cannot control and guide any system by trial and error. When you only judge at the endresult of everything togheter. It is not possible to understand why the stage and sound of your system is what you hear.

I give you an example: This year I visited a shop and he (the owner) wanted to compare 2 loudspeakercables. So I asked him: when you take this one out, which properties you take out?

He said; I have no idea.

So I asked another question: which properties do you bring in when you connect the second cable?

He said: I have no idea.

The next question I asked: so you never have any idea why the stage and sound of your system is what you hear?

He said: I don’t think so.

So I said: This means you do audio by trial and error and only listen to the endresults?

He said: yess I do.

And I said you are doing pure audiogambling. And have no idea (foundation) what you are really doing?

He said: I think you are right.

This is not about being right. This is all about understanding that you need to do audio differently so you can control and guide your system to the sound and stage you want.

I used the words overhere  many times......you need to learn to look further!
Audio is very personal. And all people react  based on their insight and thoughts.

When I ask them what do you want to change about your sound and stage?

Many people aks for a more analogue and emotional sound. For this you need the right properties of sound to be able to reveal it.

This is something you all overhere will understand. We use those sources and modifications to create a sound what van reveal as many layers as possible.

People take their own source with them and their own music. We always start with our own music so we can explain each single part of sound to them. 

This makes it for them easy to understand the differences compared to their own source.

Most sources they bring in own a 2D stage. When we compare the sources just bewteen 2D and 3D. It is often very easy for people to understand that the music is being playes a lot more tangible and a lot more separate and free from eachother.

Many always use the words that it becomes a lot more emotional and intense when you go from 2D to 3D stage. 

Based on our emotion people become a lot more emotional when a voice or instrument is full free and tangible in space.

When you compare a simple acoustic recording in a 2D stage vs a 3D stage, it is very easy to understand the difference.

When we go back to 2D the most common reactions are; it is less involving. The emotion is gone we experienced during the 3D stage.

When you want to understand better how our emotion works. Read articles about emotion and how music influences our emotion.

Audio is sold by shootout. And each shop has the same chances. So you need to create a superior level in sound and stage compared to competitors. Audio is that simple.

The most convincing, emotional and intense one  will be the one who will be chosen. So you need to create an audio system what can reveal as much details  and emotion of a recording.


I will put this weekend the review in english of  the Hurricane. It will make clear what makes it differently to the old ones and others.

I wrote an article about Audioquest but not in english. I will translate it soon. And I will put it overhere. A person will do the grammatically correct. It is not my 1ste language as most of you know:)

Our website will also be in english in 2018. All the texts needs to be translated professional first. I will let you when it is ready.

If you call expensive products highend, it is even insane. Because many products proof to have nothing to do with how music and voices and instruments sounds in reality.

They want to create the idea that expensice is good, but the facts proof that money does not garantee you anything.

What do you want to achieve in audio? What do you want to offer to people who spend a lot of their money on audio?

I think you should give them the best they can get for their hard earn money. But when the focus these days is more regarding on how we can earn as much money as possible. You will limit yourself at the end more and more.

People need to learn to look further.........for manufacturers this counts even more than for customers. They are the ones who can change the audio world and how to create  better products and new ideas.




Most of my time in the last 7 years I spend on the acoustics. Because this will always be the biggest influence on any audio system. That is why we don’t sell any audio system without Statement Audio Pro-measurement.

Not only we can solve the acoustic limitations of a room. We can add a lot more details and layers from the low frequencies till the high frequencies.

Almost each roomacoustic system absorbs details and layers in the whole freqency range. We don’t have this limitation. That is why we can outperform even highend stereo preamps.

We can reveal so much more details and information. And that is why we can use our Statement Audio Pro-measurement for highend audio as well.

We have proven over and over again how easy it is to outperform many highend stereo pre amps of over 15000 dollar. When people loose from a Onkyo 5509 you should see their faces. I always feel pitty for them.

People think it is just an Onkyo. We see it as the best level in properties we can find. I have to admit that mine and many of my clients are modified of over 3000 dollar. What we do is we change the cheap parts by expensive parts.

But even with a stock 5509 and S.A.P.-measurement and many different Pass labs monos and amps in 2013 I was already able to outperform the Pass labs XP-20 on the same Pass Labs poweramps.

Now in 2017 we are even so much further.
When you read this discussion well, you should have read that trial and error is the most important part what limits most people. Trial and error is pure audiogamblind based on facts.

I had many duscussions about this with people who also work in audio. And they all admit that it is not that precise. Only when you have not the insight and knowledge to look further you will go on to do audio this way.

You only can use Audioquest cables and the same counts for other brands maximum when you understand the properties and what it does in an audio system.

Cables are tested just by audiogambling. And you can hear that the endresult changed. But this is extreemly ineffective. Because you still don’t know why your stage and sound is what you hear.

This means you drive a boat but you have no idea how to guide it to the place you want to go. People have no idea how limit the part is of the whole quality a cable could create if you would use the full potential.

My clients buy cables at the importancy level of a component. This means I creatre shootouts for them that I can create a bigger step with a cable compared to change to a different component.

Most people overhere cannot even imagine this. This proofs that trial and error give totaaly different endresults compared to creating audio by Tru-Fi.

Perfectionists always want their clients to get the best value for the money they want to spend. And you can only spend the amount one time.

So we create ideas what will give them the biggest step. I love to outperfrom audioshops. Each selling option for me is like a game. And I only want to win.

Tru-Fi is superior in effectness compared to any silly kind of trial and error. For me it is so easy to outperfrom other shops over and over again. What they can offer for me it is so easy to overrule it.

Even with cables I proved to outperform component options of competitors. Audio for me will always be a battle against children.

Children have less knowledge and experience of many situations they don’t have experienced yet. Trial and error also does not give you the information to understand it what you are doing.

When I am at an audioshow I always start to count the faults they made. And mannn the lists are long. Thousands of tests in almost 20 years gave me superior insight and knowledge to understand both sound&vision.

I can see and hear that they only can see to a very limit level in details. Because they have no idea what they do wrong. They never went sofar into details.
From 2005 till 2007 I visited about 70 people with systems between 10.000 euro and over 200.000 euro.

I was amazed that most of these 70 systems sounded rather poor regardless of price. It proved that the way they created these systems by trial and error was not that succesful.

The list of faults they made is so big that it is difficult to create a stunning system. Most of them are in a circle and trail and error will never get them out of this circle.

They change one part for another one and hope it will be the solution. They have no idea that what they do is gambling. And that this is the reason why they are not able to make the step they would like to see.

In the last 2 years I met different new clients with expensive systems all far over 50.000 dollar. I said: I only can help you when we sell everything.

Based on the fact that all their parts could be easily replaced by better ones. Even for the money these systems were sold for. It was easy to create a superior level in sound and stage quality. In most situations I even don’t use all the money of the sold products.

It proofs how much more effective Tru-Fi is over trial and error created audio systems.
The ineffectiveness of audio is being created by trial and error. And money will never help you. We auditioned different systems of over 500.000 dollar. And mann often it sounded rather poor.

When we audition these kind of systems I always start to look at the people who give these demos. They have often no idea how poor their systems soundd.

The most annoying part for a music addict like me is that they use often shitty music. When I ask them what music the use, they have no idea.

In Munic I met different people who were often only business people. Their real knowledge in both music and audio is limited. They only talk about prices and what we can earn when we sell it.

This will never be my world of doing audio. You only can do this is with full passion and drive. There is no other way to do this the right way.
I spend a few hours each week to listen to new music. For me as a music addict (what I am since I was a child) you love to look for new music.

I can buy music of all different music websites all over the world. Based on the fact that I use IP-Vanish so I can buy music from each single country.

The positive thing is that the level in quality is a lot better than in the past. But.....still the most recordings sound not that good. Even High Res recordings will not solve these limitations. I spend over 200 dollar on new music each single month. A perfectionist only wants the best quality possible.

It cost me a lot of time each week to find it. You can be happy as a child when you find a new artist. Most music I bought I buy from Qobuz.

You have the freedom to listen to music before you buy it. Bought music is about 40% better in quality compared to the same music streamed at the same bit rate.

I also find new artists by using Youtube. When you like a song or artist type in this on youtube. And Youtube will come with many similar kind of music. This way I also found new music what I later bought.

I love a website like Prostudiomaster as wel. Because they often are the only one who have some titles in high res no other one has.


Creating sound&vision is for me so much more easy than writting it in words. Many of my clienst and new clienst always say; this is not even possible to discribe to understand it.

That is why there is only one option. This is to demo it, and that is our new goal in 2018. We think it will create a lot of new options for many people.


Almost all systems are being created by trial and error. It will never create a system what will be the most effective on all parts togheter. Pure on the fact that you cannot say why the stage and sound what comes out of your sytem is what you hear.

So we go back to where it starts. And that is music. For 100% sure you need an audio system what can reveal all the information of the recording. And even filled in the right way into the space of your room.

This never can be created by collecting any system by trial and error? How big do you think the chance is that this system owns all the parts of sound? And second it needs to be displayed as it is recorded.

We communicate a lot with many different specialists in different parts of sound&vision. When we visit new clienst often they created most things just by their own.

This proofs that people have no idea how complex sound is. And second how many parts there are you need to look after. I always say: each fault is your system is one too many.

Each mistake you make will influence different parts. That is why trial and error is extremely ineffective.

The way we work you need a lot less money to create a certain level. Tru-Fi proofs that audio created by properties makes the influence of each single part so much more effective.

This way each parts will create more quality and more properties of these parts will be used.

For example: A loudspeaker who can create a stunning 3D holographic stage and a exeptional level in layers in sound.

Most amps are 2D, like most sources have a low level in diversity in sound. So most products will not even be able to use the full potential of this loudspeaker.

This we hear and see all the time over and over again. Based on the fact that the trail and error sytems are founded on pure gambling.

When you go on this way, you can spend as much as you want. It will always be very ineffetive. That is why audio audio needs a mindset to create a much higher level in effectness.

The word highend is worth nothing. Because each single expensive audio product does not say you anything of the properties it really owns. And second it does not garantee you anything in terms of quality and endresult.

Audio is all about music. And music is all about emotion. When a system is not able to reveal all the emotion of a recording and all the details it will not make any person happy and satisfied over a long period of time.

That is why many expensive systems we hear at shows are not that impressive. Based on the fact that they all miss essential properties of sound. They cannot reveal these parts of a recording.