Has anyone listened to or auditioned Verity's new Arindale speaker ?


Hello Audiogon members - I hope all is well and just wondering if any of you have listened to this speaker. This replaced the Amadis S in their speaker line and would welcome any comments on who has actually listened to this speaker. Thank you in advance.      

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Interesting company. Their Monsalvant is a very sophisticated speaker. Unfortunately their products qualify as "Luxury" audio and are severely overpriced. the Arindals are around $40,000. The Monsalvants are $675,000. Although they are cool loudspeakers you can do even better for much less. If point source is your thing look at Sonus Faber. Much better value. If you want to spend megabucks on loudspeakers I would go with Magico. They make the best dynamic loudspeakers I have ever heard.  Of note, the enclosure construction of the Verity speakers is suspect. Instead of clever joinery they are using wrap around veneers. This is a very thin wood veneer on a cloth backing treated to make it flexible so it can wrap around corners. They can get away with it because modern polyester coatings are very tough. It is a very inexpensive way of doing things. I would expect better from a speaker in that price range.

@soix , $675,000 is overpriced. I prefer Sonus Faber just based on construction quality. You get more for your money. If you like Verity loudspeakers by all means get yourself a pair.

@roxy54 , Thicker veneers will snap if you try to bend them across the grain. In order to make them pliable enough they have to make the veneer tissue thin and laminate it to something with more tensile strength. In most cases this is a cheese cloth type fabric. It even comes with pressure sensitive adhesive applied to the fabric side The best wood construction for speaker enclosures uses properly mitered cabinet grade plywood which already has a thick veneer applied. You can order plywood with just about any wood veneer you care to think of. If you look at my system page you will see me make a cabinet in walnut plywood. Plywood is stiffer and more durable than MDF. Used properly it makes a much better enclosure. The problem for manufacturers is that plywood is more than three times as expensive as MDF and you have to be very accurate with your joinery or it will look awful. Wood is actually very difficult to work with. Many of the top manufacturers have shied away from it using anything from composites (Wilson) to Aluminum (Magico) 

In my world the only application for an enclosure is for subwoofers. The ones I am currently building are made of 1.5" plywood. Each one has ten sides and each side is only 5" wide on the outer face. Because my system doubles for theater duty they will be finished in satin black polyester.  The frame of ESLs can be made of just about anything. The sides of my Soundlabs are shou sugi ban solid white ash. 

When you see a veneer wrap you can bet that there is MDF below and relatively crude joinery. It is just the same as wrapping a cabinet in carpet. It is easy to hide the workmanship.  

@havocman , I have only listened to S and Q series speakers so I can not comment about A series.

Build quality is easy to determine. You can see it, even in a photograph to an extent. Sonic quality is another issue. You can not rely on what anyone tells you and that goes for my opinion also. I can't listen to the speaker in your room. When you say "too bright", that is an amplitude issue. Amplitude response can change just by moving the speaker a foot! What does "too bright" mean. Is the treble too loud or is the midrange too soft? Maybe the listener is used to listening to a system that is too dull. Trying to say any type of driver sounds like such and such is incorrect. There are too many ways to change amplitude from the room, to the crossover, to the type of amp being used, to the listener. Beryllium tweeters can be constructed to play extremely loud with very low distortion for a dynamic driver.

Lastly, with high resolution digital EQ capability, resolution in 1 Hz increments I can make any speaker sound like anything. With a modern digital processor amplitude response is completely plastic and can be tuned in the environment the speaker is going to live in.

I can not make any loudspeaker image correctly. There are very few systems that can. Most of use have never heard a system that does. That includes all those fanboys with the flowery descriptions of "wide and deep" soundstages. The sound stage depends on the recording. For the first 17 years of my audiophile life I had never heard a system that imaged a the state of the art. When I did my jaw must have dropped three feet and that moment is burned into my head forever. Next was creating a system for myself that could do the same thing. That took another 15 years or so, another $150,000 and hours and hours of screwing around and learning what it was that made a system perform at that level. On the bright side you do not have to spend a million dollars to get there. Excluding the room and at current prices you can probably get reasonably close for $100,000 and all the way there for $200,000. Anything more than that I consider to be "luxury" audio just for bragging rights.