Has anyone had experience with the Schroeder Arm

Dear friends: First than all, excuse me Sirspeedy but I have to answer to these people, because they think that this forum belong to them and this is very far from true.
I agree with Cello an Audio999 that for any one we need a few minutes to know the character of an item, but this only tell us that that item sound different: we need a lot more time to understand that differences and to know if that differences are near or far from the real music, this is the point for to do any judgment. I know that maybe you can't understand these beacuse you are not really experienced ( it does not matters if you think you are. Your answers in this forum told us that you aren't )), that's why you always have trouble with my answers. I think that you are mere audiophiles not a music lovers and that is a big difference. When you can convert to music lovers then you can understand everything about, till to now you are far from that: your first step to that target is to listen at least 30 hours each month of live music, when you do this I can tell you the others steps for you can get the target. Here some examples of your lacking experience: Doug ask for advise for to buy a tonearm and he don't know what to choose between a Moerch DP6 or an Origin live, at that time one of the people, that I really respet, TWL and other ones told him that Moerch was the choose and Doug do a big mistake and goes for the Origin Live ( Doug if you were choose the Moerch you nerver have to buy the Triplanar ). Audio999 ask for advise because he don't know if his Colibri can match with his JMW10 tonearm. Doug told us that he and a friend of him can hear in him system 20hz and down frecuencies in him BW loudspeakers that can't goes down to 20hz ( please read this Doug answer. Incredible. ) These are only three examples, but all of you in this forum can read every single answers of all these " experienced " guys and you can find many more examples on each one.
Cello told me that I'm in every thread, let me see: Doug has more that 300 answers ( he is the water of all glasses ), Audio999 more than 70, Raul 50, Cello like 30, ...etc.
I almost always try to give an answer that can help to the man that put the thread. All these guys do many things but to help or do little to help, let me explain: in the thread " VPI motor upgrade kit " Doug put an answer that do nothing for the man that put the thread: " I don't have the kit, but VPI promise to send me...", here is incredible he put an answer in something that he don't have and don't know it ( that's why I told that Doug try to be the water of all glasses. ). In the " transformer stepup size " thread, Doug instead to give an answer he goes against my answers and do nothing for Divo. In " graham and shelter matching " any one can read the answer from Jphii: nothing to see with the thread. In " EMC II CD ", Cello give an answer that does not have to see with the Goone thread.
All these are only a few examples of these people: as a rule they take any thread for them and they start severals threads with their answers.
I know that my answers does not like to these people and I can understand why, they are in other " league ": look to Doug, for example, more than 300 answers, with a limited experience and a very limited audio system: how can he help us? how can we trust on him? ( many answers of Doug are a repetitions of other experienced people ).
I understand that this is a open forum, so you have to read about my answers like it or not.
I recommended to you that open your mind and that try to learn that outside your closed world is to much to learn about. I respect your point of veiw, maybe I don't agree ( always ) with you but I ask to all of you guys that respect my point of view and if you don't agree with my answer then probe that I'm wrong and that you are the " Bible ": don't talk put the arguments to probe it, in this way everybody can learn ( including me, of course. ).
Be happy, be a better human been every day: LEARN, always learn. The life is full of trade-offs, take the best of it.
Best wishes for all of you and remember: always enjoy the music.
Raul.

Frank: Sure you are the expert.
Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.

Frank: I think I can't give you the serial number because this people wants to be anonymous.
Yes I appreciate if you give me the effective mass of your tonearms.
About your cartridges recomendation Tks but no: we do these tests with out any influence.
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear sirspeedy 7068: First than all a tonearm does not have a sound for itself. The Lp sound reproduction it has to do in a first level with the: tonearm/cartridge combo ( a Rega tonearm can beat the Shroeder if this one does not match with the cartridge and the rega match with the cartridge ). The Shroeder it is not in other league, it is at the same level that the Basis, Audiocraft,SME, or other top tonearms, the differences on top tonearms are: price and different presentation of the sound reproduction, the fact it is not which is better but which sound reproduction goes with you and the live music.
Dear sirspeedy: what are you looking for? what do you don't like in your anolog system ( tonearm/cartridge/turntable/phono cable/phono pre-amp )?
I agree with Thomasheisig: " an arm alone is not the secret ". I agree too with Cmk: we need more information about your audio system including your room and " what are your frame of reference ? ".
The correct sound reproduction at home is a very complicated issue, there are many parameters that we have to handle in sinergy for to obtain good results.
The experience that had Dougdeacon it told you very little things, I explain: there was a meeting of six peoples for to hear an audio system ( that was not their each own system ) and test three differents tonearms with three differents phono cartridges, taking two days on those tests: here are nine tonearm/cartridge combinations, if they hear for 36 hours in those two days ( almost imposible ), this means that they hear for four hours each combination: this time is not enough not only for to do a precise judgment on the Shroeder tonearm but to know how the whole audio system sound. There is another issue in that meeting: six peoples that interchange information and one each other do an influence for the final judgments: this has a very small value.
Instead the Thomasheisig is a very valued experience: the music experience is an individual experience, with no external people influence. Yes, I know that all of us has to learn for other people experiences but our judgments should be an individuals ones.
BTW Doug: where do you learn that the music experience is a relaxed one? You put this adjective to the Shroeder sound reproduction. Dear Doug try to go this weekend to a club/bar to hear a live jazz group and think about it.
Dear sirspeedy, we hope to hear from you soon.
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Sirspeedy: I'm sorry for my answers that produce all this " theatre ". I hope you are not dissapointg on your issue.
If you give us more information on your audio system, the kind of music that you usually listen and maybe what do you don't like it in the music reproduction on your analog rig, then I'm sure that we can help you.
I think that all of us will be very glad to hear from you very soon.
Best wishes and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Teres and Audio999: First, I don't attack to anyone, I only put the facts ( you Audio999 and the others guys attack me, read their answers ). I think that you, still, don't understand my points of view, so you have a problem.
Other thing: I can't understand why you give answers for Doug. I think that he can do it, but maybe he has not any answer any more, about.
Don't be angry ( it is not to be personal: open your mind ) and don't think for a moment that you can attack to me with out any reaction.
BTW, what do that a forum goes growing up are the differents and experienced points of view of the people and that that point of view really help to the people. We all have many things to learn here, if we all can do it: great, if not, well.........
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Sirspeedy: It is true that the material combination in a cable makes a difference, but is only one of the reasons for that differences: design, construction, geometry, are very important too.
There are many choices here, I suggest that you test the Silver Oval from Analysis Plus: exellent performer in differentes stages and " inexpensive ".
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Frank: For anyone always is a privilege to be in touch with an audio designer like you and Chris.
" the principal speaks to his pupils ": the music sound reproduction in home audio systems is a very complex and seriously issue: first you have to know about live music, let me explain: you have to know which is the sound of a
volin and their differences with a viola ( for example ), which kind of signature has a Stradivarius and which one is for a Guarneri or an Amati ( for example ), you have to identifed the sound of a Steinway piano from a Yamaha one ( for example ), to know the sound of the metals and wooden winds instruments in an orchestra. How it sound in differents stages, how you percieve those sounds at different distances and in different stages. You have to know and identified the Tenor sound from: Coltrane, Rollins or Hawkins ( example ). Flannagan from Evans. Blaton from Brown. The Cure from U2. Bach from Mozart. Marhia Carey from Shanhia . etc..........
Second: understand why the live music transmit to you so many emotions: sadness, joy, tears, laughs, stress,etc....

Third: you have to have a full range audio system at home ( 16hz to 50khz ).
Fourth: Understand all the advantages and disadvantages of your own audio system: their strong points and their tweak points.
Fifth: have the maturity for listen to the music not our system.
Sixth: to have a frame of reference and understand it.
Seventh: Understand that the music and the joyness of hear the music is an individual experience.
Eight: Tests on our audio system of many different devices: amps, pre-amps, tonearms, cartridges, speakers, cables,.....
Ninth: Understand that there is no: best amp or best tonearm or best cartridge,... Each item is only a part of the audio chain and what do that an audio system really shine it is the sinergy of all these parts. Like Thomas told us: it is not only the tonearm.

All these subjects and many more takes a very long ( many years ) process of learning: every day process.
I'm in this long process, no I'm not " the principal...", I'm only a man that loves music and that at any time likes to share my experiences, I don't atack to anyone I only disaggree with the others peoples in this thread but I agree, too, with Thomas and Cmk, why I agree with Thomas and Cmk: only because they are an experience people. How can Doug with 13 months of experience ( Cmk write that the sound of the Shroeder tonearm was a relaxed one and Doug latter on write that the Shroeder tonearm was a relaxed one: what did told this to any one ), with a truly limited audio system ( he thinks it is in the high end club. He is not, today is very far from there. Some day he will be there. Doug don't think for a moment that beacuse you are in touch with Chris an other experience people you already done: no you have a very long road in front of you ) and with a closed mind understand what the experience people are talking about? ( he thinks he understand, but it can't, yet ).
Of course Frank, your tonearm is one of the best ever made tonearms in the audio world, but it is not in another league ( that's for sure ), no I never had in my audio system. Yes I would like to have it: my experience told me that there will be no surprises: right now I own 15 of the best tonearms ever made ( like yours ) and I test around other 12 top tonearms in the past: I own 7 differents turntables and test six more in the past: I own 25 differents cartridges and test many of them in the past.This is a long process and a very hard one. Today I enjoy the music and knows what happen with it.
BTW, Sirspeedy the frictionless bearing of Frank tonearm is not the reason why has its signature sound: every tonearm including the Shroeder has its own signature, Frank explain this in one of his anwers.
In a top tonearm usually the pivot bearing friction is less that 50 microgrs, there are tonearms like the Technics EPA 100MK2 in where this value is less that 7 microgrs or like the Mission The Mechanic that is less than 10 microgrs, this small values are invisible in the complex process of the traking a record, and Frank knows that.
Frank and Chris: congratulations for your great contribution to the music reproduction. ¡ Go a head !, all of us music lovers need more people like you.
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Frank: You have to be more serious about music reproduction: that's is all what I'm trying to explain.
No, I'm not braggin anything, if you can read in my post I write: " I'm in this long process ".
My statements on bearing friction can be probed , it is very easy to take an " open door ": " you don't know what you are talking about " ( this is an attitude " the principal speak to their pupils "). Can you explain why these statements are wrong?.
BTW, you have to be surrounded of reference frames: if not how can you know you are on or near the target with what you design?, how can you know what to improve in your design? or where do you do the comparision with what you design?. I have experience in the design and I know that we need a reference frame.
Like you I'm a concert goer and I think in that this is an individual musical experience, perhaps I can't explain this issue because my limitations with the english language, sorry for that.
When anyone one tell me why I'm wrong ( any issue ) I often admit it: I try to learn everyday, this is part of that " long process ".
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

FranK: ¡ Eureka !. Someone ( a very kind man ), somewhere: it already send me his Schroeder tonearm, it is on the road.
Now I can test in my system.
Only for your records: I already has benchmarks in differents areas for a tonearm and for a tonearm/cartridge combos: we test ( do measurements ) scientific and subjective on: vibrations, resonance, energy disipation, traking, other parameters and general operation. We try with different test records like: TRS 1005, QR-2010, DIN 45 549,etc... and with different music records. We do tests at 33,45 an 78rpm records, in stereo and mono. We tests in normal condition ( example: with the ideal cartridge ), with in the limits and beyond the limits. We test with MM and MC cartridges some ones very dificult to handle for a tonearm, examples: weight cartridge 18grs and 6cu on compliance, weight of 12grs and 20cu on compliance, cartridges ranging from an ideal VTF of 0.7grs to 3.0grs.
We listen to some records where we were in the recording session. We use some tools like: Spectra Lab, Dynamic Mass analizer and some other Sound devices. We have an international lab certification and a very experienced subjective test team that don't have any influence eachother when we are testing any item.
Yes, it will be very interesting and a very educational experience.
BTW, yes I agree with you that it is not and easy task to have a full range system at home, but that is the Target.
Regards and always enjoy the music.
Raul.

4yanx: Sory for be inexpresive, but you really know what means that: eureka.
Raul.

4yanx: This Shroeder owner is a music lover one. He already read many threads in this forum and he was take it but the Shroeder thread and he want to help.
I never had any contact with him in the past, this is my first time and I really appreciate that: " In God we trust ".
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Ngeorge: " Me, too ".
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Nghiep: Truly educational post.
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.