Has anybody bought or heard a Chinese knock off amplifier?


There are a lot clones coming out of China and power amplifiers seem to be along for the ride.
Mark Levinson, Goldmund, and Accuphase are some of the big names I see replica’s being advertised for sale. These replica’s range in price from $500-$2000. My curiosity every time I see these always is do they even sound like the brand they are trying copy? Another thought that comes to my mind when I see them is, are they even safe or reliable. I myself wouldn’t touch one of these, but that’s me. Has anybody heard one? If so it would be interesting to hear some opinions regarding these amplifiers.
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I love how whenever this topic comes up, 99% of the comments have nothing at all to do with the topic. So let's talk about clone sound. I picked up a super cheap Naim NAP 200 copy from AliExpress. These are all over the place. They don't copy the case, but claim to be a copy of the circuit. I've never heard the legit NAP 200. The sound was actually very nice...as long as it doesn't get complex / busy, then it falls apart (sonically).

I also got a no-name CD transport from Queenway store (AliExpress seller, has many clones) which claims to copy a Wadia circuit and has a spring-mounted CD tray. It does sound better than my other Chinese CD player used as a transport. They don't have that version anymore and seem to sell an updated version with a better clock. Mine also has an issue of overheating / glitching where it'll stop playing and error itself out after a long period of playing. I managed to break a cable harness trying to remove the cover, and the seller actually sent me a replacement harness for just $1. But the case was cut with basically 0 tolerance so now I can't get it back on, I'd have to file some of it down I think. This is what you end up paying for I guess.

There's an Accusphase clone I'm interested in as well as FM amp which they claim to have copied 1:1 including the proprietary modules. They also have matching preamp clones too. There's many Pass clones too. 

I recently purchased several cable clones. Today I received a copy of the Nordost Odin 2 Supreme Reference RCA interconnects. The cable conductors look just like the real article (and are constructed just like them if you believe the images they have up on AliExpress). These also have the original Nordost-looking plugs "Holo-Plug", but I thought mine were kind of dirty / dull and I doubt a legit Nordost would be like that. Initial listen I didn't notice any major difference over my Audio Envy interconnects, but then they need to burn in so that's what they're doing now.

Also coming is a copy -- maybe a gray market legit product -- Audioquest FireBird biwire and WEL Signature interconnects. They look exactly the same as the legit items, including the DBA modules. The reason why I said maybe a gray market product is because Audioquest cables are made in China and just assembled in the US. Since these things look exactly like the original based on images they could be off the books factory runs assembled and sold out the back door. Of course the proof will be in the hearing, if I just end up with a set of expensive audio jewelry than oh well I deserve it :)

The only other cable I got from them was a Transparent Audio Wave Ultra MM2 power cable which is also burning in. It's a heavy and stiff cable, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that the center network box has nothing but epoxy in it.

Interesting I note that there's also SIltech cables which really do look like the originals and that Siltech started using a identity verification tool using a smartphone app to scan tags to validate legitimate Siltech products. It would be "funny" if Siltech is actually selling the same cables that China sells grey market for a fraction of the price.
The "barely surviving" industry have themselves to thank for it. They chose to charge absurd, wild markups and content themselves with super high profit margin but low production. Those that have been trying to serve the lower end market decided to do so by pushing their class D junk.
The Audioquest FireBird speaker cables and WEL Signature interconnects I got from AliExpress seem to be legit products. The quality level is too high, and the DBS units appear to be wired up correctly. Also, would they honestly copy the DBS units exactly to spec with logos embossing, battery test button, etc. and going through the trouble to actually wire it up -- just for the sake of selling the Audioquest appearance? I believe they're grey market units sold out the back door of the factory. Audioquest doesn't actually make their cables, they just assemble / terminate them in the US, that's something that can be done in China easily. Audio quality does seem very good, but I still need to test them vs my old speaker cables to validate that.
The seller will service it. These are actual audio dealers in China, not just some guy selling stuff online. I bought a CD transport from the Queenway Store which was claimed to be a clone of a Wadia circuit. I broke an internal cable trying to open the chassis. I contacted the seller via the built-in AliExpress messaging system and they quickly responded and after a week or so they sent me a replacement cable for 1$. If you have to ship items back for service I believe the standard is that you have to pay the shipping, and they ship it back to you on their expense. At least one store I saw said they have a 30 day free shipping both ways in case of a defect.

Shipping from China can take a LONG time, and very expensive, especially if you have to use sea / train freight. Definitely something that should be considered.