Happy Accident


I've always read that the distance between the speakers should (more or less) equal the distance from each speaker to the listening chair. 

Our system is in the living room and due to furniture location, I'm guessing the  former distance has always been about 10% less than the latter (math is not my strong point).  Experimenting with toe-in has resulted in either a strong center image with a narrower sound-stage or vice versa. I've assumed the only way to improve matters would be to move my listening chair forward or the speakers further apart, neither of which is possible.  

But, as my wife will tell you, audio brings out my OCD tendencies. A couple days ago, I was once again messing around and tried toeing-in the speakers so their focus converged about 18 inches behind my head. This meant that the distance between speakers was, as always, 9 feet and the new distance between drivers and their point of convergence was 12 feet. 

As a result, the sound-stage now extends significantly beyond the speakers on each side without the center image collapsing. Actually, it's harder to detect a "center image", as the "image" spreads right across the sound-stage. The sound-stage is also deeper and resolution and bass actually seem to have improved. The point of convergence is only inches in front of a large, Craftsman style book-case with the typical "lattice" design of glass and oak. The speakers flank a slate hearth. 

Lacking the sort of experience/knowledge that might explain why "breaking the rules" has paid off to such an extent, this scenario falls into the category of "happy accident". I can only guess that it must have something to do with the room. 

Perhaps wiser individuals could offer a more scientific explanation... 

 

 

stuartk

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@nonoise ​​@russ69 ​​@ghdprentice 

Thanks for your supportive comments. 

It's very gratifying to discover that, despite the limitations constraining my room, there are still ways to improve SQ and thus enhance the listening experience.

And I find it especially gratifying when such improvements don't involve opening the wallet. 

 

 

@roxy54 

"Experimentation yields better results than formulas because of the many variables"

Clearly!   

@antialiased 

I can't help but wonder how many music enthusiasts, having followed the conventional "equalteral triangle" wisdom, are (unknowingly) falling short of maximizing their listening enjoyment.

@12many 

"... it really depends on the speaker and the room" 

  Yes!  

@antialiased 

I don't have the background to debate you on the basis of physics. All I can say is that others have found this not to be the case, me included. I trust my ears. 

@christianb5s4 

Some Wilson speakers provide a means of tilting the tweeters. I don't know the potential issues of tilting the entire cabinet. Someone more experienced may respond. 

@sgordon1 

Thanks -- good suggestion! 

@doni 

I'm glad you've found a way to compensate for that placement. 

@newbee 

Like me, you've found that experimentation can yield big rewards. 

@wyoboy 

I have nothing against stumbling into something good!  

@mijostyn 

The system is in our living room. We have large windows but I have no desire to remove them as we live in a conifer forest and I enjoy the view too much. My wife would not welcome room treatments and I can't fault her for that. If the improvements I'm experiencing are due to sheer luck, that's OK. I have no complaints!  

@mijostyn 

"Women can not change the laws of physics. Well, maybe they can just not when it comes to audio".

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