hana sl or one of the AT-ART9?

audiosaurusrex
what kinds of music do you listen to?

the conclusion of guy here was :
"For me, my musical tastes and my system, the higher output and more dynamic AT-ART9XI was the best fit. However, if you have some gain in your phono preamp and your listening tastes tend more to the acoustic and classical end of the spectrum, the AT-ART9XA could be an excellent choice."
since i am listening to a variety kinds of music, rock, jazz, classical, that's increase my dilemma.
 

now when i read reviews about my current cartridge, monster alpha 2, a cartridge i owned from the 90’s but did not use it till a year ago, i wonder how much improvement i will get from a new cartridge.
the sound i got from it is so natural and detailed .
but still, i don’t have any thing to compare
"Alpha 2 was so good that it became the gold standard by which other cartridge’s soundstaging was judged."

maybe i should put the money on a much better phno stage compare to the one i use now ( The Schiit Mani).

tablejockey
from my experience i dont agree with you.
and it's not so nice to read a comment like "How many times" 

sorry for confusing you and my self.
i read this:
"A tonearm whose effective mass is rated at 10 grams or below is considered low mass".
"A phono cartridge whose compliance is rated at 12 x l0ˉ6 or below, is considered low compliance".
"Low mass arms mate well with both moderately high and very high compliance phono cartridges."

my ton arm ( well tempered) is 10grams.
checked the compliance of the AT-ART9XA
 

for ART 9 XI

, static or  dynamic, and hoe it will effect the sound.
for lyra delos:

• Compliance: Approx. 12 x 10-6cm/dyne at 100Hz

phono stages i’m thinking on have that 65db.
but i’m still worry not to get with the 0.2 enough "body" and punch from the music, or a bit anemic .
forgot to mention that my current arm is something between low to medium mass- 10 gram.
that was AT say about the difference between the two:
"the ART9XI louder, the ART9XA providing more detail."
a bit strange description "louder".
https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/support/audio-solutions-question-of-the-week-how-do-i-choose-between-the-art9xi-and-the-art9xa-phono-cartridges/#:~:text=In%20summary%2C%20both%20are%20fantastic,Audio%20Solutions%20Department%20for%20assistance.
what do they mean by:
"Non-magnetic core cartridges tend to have moderate mid/low and low frequency reproduction"
is it good, or bad?

thanks,
what is your stage gain range?
and did you already use the XA?

some thoughts about lyra delos?

audiosaurusrex
i am listening also to a big variety.
i aske cause i read in some reviews that some cartridge's are better for some kind of music 

i am thinking now about an additional candidate.
the lyra delos, that i read good opinions about.
i know ,it’s more expansive, but if i will convinced that its better than the art 9, i am willing to starch my budget

thanks habermas, mijostyn
I gave up the hana

thanks elliottbnewcombjr
it will take me awhile to understand ☺
i will not use sut, but phono preamp

a vintage card i purchased in the 90's but for some reasons did not use it till a year ago.
monster alpha 2
https://www.gammaelectronics.xyz/audio_04-1987_monster.html

thanks,
the PP500 is twice price than the new art-9.
i'll read about the others mentioned.
if i count on the compliance match suggestion so the AT-ART9XI (15) is better match than the AT-ART9XA (10).
habermas
do you remember i what areas the AT ART-9 outperformed the delos?

habermas
the new art 9 in the usa where i am planning to buy a cartridge and phono is 1290$
are you sure its 1700 euro?
pp200 is 1800 $ and the 500 around 3200 $.
i used this article for the compliance. suggestions.
https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/tonearm-cartridge-compatability/
but you are right since they are talking here on 10 and not 100.
so what you are saying is that when the cartridge producer write 10/100 its realy much higher in terms of European?
i know about the 0.2 mv of the AT-ART9XA
i am thinking about the AT-ART9XI but haven't finally decided yet

thanks dover
when you are saying "very relaxed presentation" it does not come on the account of some vividness/punch, or highs details?

on the MC One Special, i read some mixed review.
but i will check again.
the difference of price between  the two is not so significant.

btw, what do you think about benz micro,
i used 2 of them in the past, but after twice the cantilever braked  i'm bit carful with them
for the phono stage and gain - matching , my current phono is up to 59 db and i work now with a 0.25 mv cartridge.
the VDH is 0.65 mv, so its enough.
but i am planning to upgrade my phono, and will be glad to here suggestions.
can be around 1000-1500 $.

dover about the Van den Hul MC One i read a mixed review .
a better on the DDT.
cant find any review for the  XX1, think it's discontinued .

i think that my decision now is going to be between one of the  ART-9XI/XA, and the Van den Hul DDT.