Hana ML and Korf head shell

Ooopsie 48 dB of gain.

I finally get back and go to get the TT going.

• New belt onto it = Check 
  • (But still falls off when I start it up if I do not give it a twist.)
• Look for anti skate weight from Singapore
  • Cannot find the envelope.
• Need a hole punch or drill for the paper protractors.

Argh

Thanks @tomic601

Thanks @chakster the dynamic compliance is listed at: 10 x 10(-6) cm/dyne (100Hz). The Korf choose is mainly because it looks to be well damped, so I am hoping that the sibilance can be tamed.

@three_easy_payments: Does that mean I would need that W-30H counter weight on the tail end? Or that I “might”

And should this be an improvement over the “Blue point Special”?

I particularly do not like a lot of sibilance, but often the recordings where the sibilance seems to built into, from the start..

Or should I be looking at the Hana SL, or something else that could be a more appropriate choice?

I have an Audio Research PH2 that it will run into… does that seem like the right piece to be using? Or should I be putting attention there? I have no complaints with it, nor with the blue point special… just that the BPS is 15 years old and I am also overhauling the SOTA.

@chakster … like a moron, I forgot to mention I have a lathe… so that instagram page is perfect.
Worn out in suspension? Or worn out in stylus?
(It has not been used at all in the last 5 years or so… for a variety of reasons… none good.)

@tomic601 what do you mean by a bit polite?
(Maybe I should call? - I have the number in a PM, but it must be getting late there.)

The p77i compliance is 18, so it’s a ways away from the Hana at 10 cm/dyne.And the We-317 tonearm manual says “high mass” tonearm.
Are these p77i really good?I read some subjective reviews that seemed to indicate that they’re glary?
Have you fellows tried them?

The phono amp says 58 dB of gain.I am wounding if that will be enough…? Maybe I need a high output cartridge, or a different phono stage?

@chakster Thanks.
What is your experience with required gain?

• That Audio Research PH2 is the SS model, and its manual says gain=48dB.
  
• That phono stage shows posts for resister loading, but a flashlight through the holey metal does not reveal them.
• It has balanced In/out and I have a handmade XLR to RCA, which sounds OK and read ~24k resistance, which sounds right for two 47k in parallel.
  

So I am reticent to order the ML until I know whether the phono stage will work, or if I need something else.The other options include the p77i (or the Hana SH) which both give me higher output.

1) Compliance for Garrott measured at 10Hz

2) Compliance for Hana measured at 100Hz (like for all Japanese cartridges).

If you convert 10 at 100Hz to 10Hz it will be 17cu (almost the same as Garrott), this is definitely NOT a low compliance, it’s more like a mid/low end (or you can call it mid compliance which is good for nearly all tonearms, except for too heavy or too light arms).

For any measurements you need to know a compliance figure at 10Hz (not at 100Hz). For Japanese cartridges it’s a bit tricky, you always have to convert to 10Hz first using x 1.7 formula.

Ahhh. I thought that it was purely a spring type of metric.

I sounds like the compliance is also using something like the mass of the cantilever/coils???
(But I would have thought that that was next to zero to capture the high frequencies in the groove?)

[Headed to Google]

The P77i is listed as MM with an output of 4.0mV. 

Garrott Brothers P77i CartridgeMoving Magnet (MM) Phono Cartridge

• Output Voltage: High output type 4mV @ 3.54cm/sec
• Input Impedance: 47k

So the p77i appears that is HO and MM.
And the Hana ML is LO and MC.
(hence my confusion)

Ok @chakster so I think you ‘re saying they the p77i will found just as good as the Hana ML?
And cheaper to run over time?

OK I ordered a p77i, and will figure out what to do with the Korf head shell when it arrives.
A friend may have a LOMC nearby that can be tried with the phono stage to see if it has enough gain.