Grounding Metal Outlet Boxes and Isolated Ground Receptacles


Just installed six really nice separate dedicated 20 amp lines (with 6 awg) for my new dedicated listening room.  Decided to use heavy metal outlet boxes so that I could make my six Furutech Receptacles as strong and sturdy as possible.  I also had my electrician run 4-wire 6 agw to the boxes so that we could have one ground wire to the metal receptacle box and then a separate ground wire to the isolated ground screw on the Furutech.

I sent some photos of the setup to a friend of mine (who just happens to be an electrical engineer) and he raised an the issue that since my Furutech Receptacles are metal and they will be screwed into the metal box with metal screws, then we have effectively now tied the two separate grounds together!  Help!  Is that a bad idea?   Is having the box and receptacle setup in this way going to cause issues once my gear is in place; ground loop hums, etc?






stickman451

Showing 1 response by almarg

Jim, thanks for calling this thread thread to my attention, via your post in the directional interconnects thread. My response there on 12-6-2016, near the bottom of page 3 if posts are sorted most recent last, may be of interest to some here.

Stickman’s wiring may already have been finalized, but FWIW re:
Jea48 11-14-2016

I would wonder if the floating insulated wire might act as an antenna and pick up air born RFI. I would probably connect the end at the panel to the ground bar. Nothing wrong with that as far as a code issue. Ask your electrician if he has a problem with it.

It would be nice to hear from Al, (almarg), what he thinks. Would he connect the end of the spare insulated wire at the electrical panel to the ground bar, or leave it floating above ground?

I agree. Antenna and RFI effects are always hard to predict, of course, and it might not matter either way. But grounding the wire at the panel, in addition to perhaps reducing RFI pickup, would add a bit of capacitance between the AC conductors and ground that I suppose might provide at least a slight benefit in terms of filtering RF noise that may be present on the incoming AC.

Regarding Bflowers issue, the only thoughts that occur to me beyond what Jim has said are:

1)It would probably be a good idea to measure the AC voltages (120 volts on each leg, relative to neutral, and the 240 volt difference between the legs), during typical listening hours. If practical it would be preferable to do that while the system is powered up and playing music at normal volumes.

2)Regarding:
Bflowers 12-1-2016
BTW, had serious ground loops in the old room, but the Boulder gear was fairly impervious to it. I demoed a single ended Lamm amp and it buzzed like a fiend!
Not sure which Lamm model you tried, but I see that the currently produced models that are described as single-ended provide unbalanced inputs on their XLR connectors. Which if connected to the balanced outputs of your Boulder preamp via an XLR cable would short the inverted signal on XLR pin 3 to the circuit grounds of both the amp and the preamp. Given the relatively low output impedance of the Boulder preamp (spec’d at 100 ohms, which probably corresponds to 50 ohms per leg), that could conceivably have resulted in the buzzing you heard. See this thread for an example of a situation in which exactly that occurred, although very different equipment was involved.

Also, while very unlikely it is conceivable that the output stage of the preamp which drives XLR pin 3 on each channel might have suffered some damage as a result of having that signal shorted to ground. So to be sure, subsequent to the Lamm audition did you put the older Boulder amp back in place, and find the system to perform the same as previously?

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al