Thank you Rob. I read the blog and it looks like someone tried two runs of WE16ga for the hot and neutral runs and then wrapped that with some 14ga ground wire. A single run might sound great, but since the wire has to carry a lot of current Grannyring's 10ga or two runs of 16ga might sound even better. Will be interesting to see how Jeff eventually feels about the single run. I'm going to obstain for now since I have so much on my plate with these C3m driver tubes. Jet
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Grannyring, I see this passive remote volume controller: "LDR3x.V2.1 Passive Preamp Controller" This is exciting. MAybe start a thread or blog and let us know how it is going. John421, Which interconnect folks choose seems to be ear and system dependent. Have you built them yet? They are pretty inexpensive. Regards Jet |
I terminated my Belden interconnect cable with Canare F10 RCA plugs last night. My experience with these RCA plugs is that they need 150 hours to break in. They are in my back room system breaking in for about the next week. I may have mentioned this already but after listening to WE16ga terminated with both Switchcraft and Canare F10 plugs I much preferred the Canare F10 plugs - In my system noticeably more expressive room filling mid range. Regards Jet |
maxima95, I have not tried it yet. Will try it pretty soon. |
I tried 22g western electric solid core as interconnects. 2 runs per each pos and neg leg and Switchcraft RCA plugs. Didn't like them in my system. Monochromatic- instruments sounded same with no individual color or timbre. I didn't have an interest in tweeking them to see if they could sound better. Once I heard them after three weeks for burn in I pulled them apart and have saved the Switchcraft RCA for a later use. Perhaps I should have tried them with one run per leg. Jet |
Heading out of town for a week but before I left want to give an update on Belden ICs terminated with Canare F10 RCA plugs. I think the mids open up and breathe a bit with the Canare. Bigger more spacious mids without losing the natural sound of the Belden /switchcraft combo. I won't characterize this as good or bad just food for thought. These things are system dependent but I do like the sound. Regards and happy holidays to all! Jet |
Bill I forgot to mention that the Canare F10 sound awful before they are burned in so give them 10 days of burn in time. Also I wanted to answer your question - on both the Belden and WE wire I think the Canere plugs added layering and depth to the mid ranges of both cables. But at least for me it doesn't transform either cable into something they are not. Jet |
Glad to hear of your results with the Canare f10 RCA plugs Grannyring. As I mentioned above Belden IC users should also experience the same result if they try the Canare in place of the Switchcraft RCA. In a few days I'll install your shielding on one set of my western electric ICs and see how they sound in my system. Jet. |
Maxima95 and Grannyring- after several days with about 100 hours of burn in and listening time on the WE16ga interconnects with Canare f 10 RCA plugs and shielding that is terminated at both ends its time for a report. At this point in the burn in process I am hearing what Grannyring hears. They are smoother and less forward than my WE16ga interconnects that are unshielded. The unshielded version has always sounded a bit rough around the edges but I didn’t care since I felt they were so good at conveying a sort of unbridled musicality. The shielded versions sound very musical at this point and add a refinement and smoothness that I like so far. The mids are smooth and beautiful. I am with Grannyring- Jeff Day missed out by not trying the shield although threading the cables through the shield and then the heat shrink was a major pain. I don’t know how long it takes for the shielding to burn in. Since the cables and RCA plugs are fully burned in the only variable is the shield. Regards and happy new year! Jet |
You're welcome. Glad to share my observations. One more thing I am noticing about the WE16g shielded interconnects is that the sound seems more pure, less noise, Quieter background. I guess all of this makes sense since the shield must make this happen. I am thinking that which version of this interconnect one would prefer, shielded vs unshielded would be system and ear dependent. |
Hi Rob, I just haven't thought about posting anything on Jeffs site. Honestly I don't post much of anything on any site except this one and occasionally on the tube DIY AA when I have a question. Incidentally I bought 80ft of the 10g WE stranded from tajacobes a few weeks ago and they have been burning in my 2nd system. It's enough to make biwire runs for my ANe's. I'll report back over the weekend. This wire is huge! |
Guys, I spent 3 weeks burning in and five days listening to 10ft runs of WE10g stranded speaker wire. My speakers are Audio Note ANe's which are Bi Wired so I used four 10 ft. runs on each speaker. The speaker taps on my Audio Note output transformers are in direct contact with the bare 10g wire. After all of that burn in time and 5 days of listening, the 10gWE stranded wire sounded very thick, too rich and slow and it did not improve over the five days. After a few days of no improvement, I stripped off some more insulation from the AN output tranny's 8ohm taps and wrapped the additional tranny wire tightly and securely around the un-terminated 10g wire but still no improvment. Once I reinstalled the 16g WE stranded wire the balance and musicality returned. Not sure why the 10g wire sounded so bloated. Maybe the combination of warm sounding AN speakers and warm sounding 300b tubes and the 10g wire was just too much. I am not giving up on WE10g and have some additional ideas as to why they didn't sound good. But for now I am going to enjoy my great sounding 16gWE stranded speaker wire - Regards Jet. |
Rob, Thanks for the update on the success of your WE power cables. If this 10ga doesn't work out as speaker cable I may build power cables with it. Maxima95, I have not tried 16ga on the tweeter and 10ga on the woofer. What kind of speakers are you using with your 2a3 amp? Are you using 16ga WE speaker cable with it? Mitch2, I was thinking about what I might be doing wrong that could be creating the bloated sound of the 10ga WE wire. One thought I had was to borrow my friend's solder pot and dip the amp end of the 10ga wire into it which would assure that my transformer wire is in good contact with the wire...although this might have the opposite affect. My Soldering gun is not hot enough to solder 10ga wire. A solder pot will definitely do the job. Another thought I had was to try a single run of 10ga instead of bi-wire. These are all food for thought and I have no idea how any of this will work and to tell the truth I am in love with the sound of my system and have little motivation to try new things these days. The C3m driver tubes and Audio Note Kaisei capacitors I am using in my 300b amp are singing and for my taste in sound, don't want to alter too much from what I have. But having said that I am curious about 10ga WE wire. Regards and thank you to all - Jet. |
Hi Rob, how do you like the Devore 0/96? Must be very nice! jazzonthehudson, very interesting idea. So you added a single strand of 16g copper and a single strand of 16g silver to the we16ga interconnects? You described it as faster and more open. Did anything change in the mid range and low end? Thanks jet. |
Rob - I am loving to hear about the amp upgrades and how much you are enjoying the sound of your system. I've heard the 0/96s several times and was amazed by the texture of the music coming from them. I always felt like they need a a large room to breathe and for the sound to come together and I am guessing in your large listening room they would make addicting music. What kind of speaker cables are you using? WE16 or WE 10 gauge? |