Gain / Amplification


Ok, dumb question maybe….maybe the more troll-like members could chill on this one.    I was just wondering, is there likely a quality-of-sound difference between utilizing maximum gain (say, out of a CD player, to keep it a simple scenario) and needing much less amplification from your amp, or is it in any way different to set your CD gain/output volume at a lower level and let your amp do its job?   Let’s say balanced connections, so that’s added gain as well.    
Question just kind of occurred to me when I fired up my Oppo for first time in awhile and it was **LOUD**.   Which is not an issue, I was just wondering, circuit design-wise and engineering-wise, should one or the other provide a better sound ?

 

JH

jhajeski

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Let’s put clear cut opinions on the side. To answer this correctly, we need details on each stage, the nature if its gain, and how it is controlled. Its worth everyone understanding that in general the idea that "more or less gain is employed here or there" is a misunderstanding of how circuits re designed. In 90-99% o cases, gain is fixed in both places. What is varied is **attenuation** (some form of variable volume control). These are lossy and passive in most cases, but again there are myriad ways to implement.

In terms of ranking the quality of volume control methods, the digital domain (certainly how its done in PCs, macs, phones, and tablets) is often the worst, except in certain cases using very select DAC chips (among them the ESS 32 bit chips). I believe the Oppo used these. Beyond that -- and again God is in the details -- as you change volume you may change output impedance and matching.

The rule of thumb - big picture -- is set any DAC or PC to 100% volume and control it with the better quality analog volume control in your preamp. In the case of the ESS -- if its implemented correctly, it might actually be better there.

 

Justme

 

note: sometime back on another topic i did a long rant/explanation of various methods of contorting volume and the significant benefits/problems of each.  Sorry i cant be more helpful pointing to it.

Given what you just said, i took a look at the parasound. Apparently it uses a relatively new B-B (TI) chip based resistor pair volume control. I have a bunch of experience with such chips, but NOT the BB. They are very good, but my experience drove me to design my own discrete equivalent. Maybe the BB unit is better than the several i designed with.

So.... if the ESS let’s you do volume control via digital math without the "truncation problem" - i would tend to use the ESS volume. On the other hand the BB chip in your Prasound is basically a bunch of chip resistor pairs with chip switches selecting one pair vs another which is also pretty darn good.

So i don't think you have a clear cut winner either way.

If you want to learn more about digital volume control and its norml issues and why ESS is different they have a good PDF slide presentation on it available publiucly.

Warning: math.

Further thought (edit/add): the downsides of these "digitally controlled analog volume array chips" (what a mouthful) are the basic material used, and the fact that 90% of them depend on the inclusion of a chip opamp gain/buffer stage. Its one reason i ruled out many of them. here’s the point that’s relevant to you: those distortions exist whether you employ the volume in the Parasound or not. Its not like by setting it to full volume, the opamp is eliminated. Its still there as a buffer. I am not criticizing the design BTW - there are convenience / cost / sound / tade-offs everywhere.