Full-range/horn loaded on a budget?



I'm desperate to find a full-range driver, horn loaded designed, wood cabinet speaker in the next week or two. I'm depressed since having to sell my beloved Horning Agathon Ultimates and not being able to enjoy my music. I need speakers. Something to get me by for now but still satisfy my spoiled ears. I was set to purchase the Zu Omen (Standard or Def) but disappointingly they don't have stock and build time is 4-6 weeks. That's frustrating because it's rare that I find something I like so quick - aesthetic wise. I can see that kind of wait for $10K speakers, but $1500?

Let me know your suggestions for $2800 and under. I have a few brands in mind but would like to hear from others who have possibly owned/auditioned various ones.

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sakahara

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Correct. The TL-D1 will be mated with TRON Cantata SET 300B monoblocks*. If unsuccessful, I will not be selling my amps. But lets hold off on conjecture until the speakers, and system, has settled in.

Funny thing, the person who bought my Horning speakers has Tonian (PHY-HP version). His initial impression was the Horning mid/highs were not as good, but bass was better. His thought is that it's his amps; OTL and PP designs. The PHY-HP drivers prefer those amps whereas the Horning might be better suited with SET. This is only an initial impression based on very little listen time and quick set up. He mentioned trying an SET soon to hear for himself. Personally, I was surprised to hear his comment, especially about the Horning mids/highs. That is the Golden Ticket as reviewers have also noted. But as he said, it may be his amps are just not as well suited for this speaker as they are with the Tonian. Different full-range drivers, different and custom designs, mainly with Horning - hybrid.

What this comes down to though is does the sound satisfy my senses? If so, that's all that matters. There's always a level or so of compromise when changing gear and speakers. I've been fortunate enough over the years not to have had any major mismatches and always happy with those changes made. Being able to audition at home is key to that, but also pure luck. I do the research as best I can and make informative choices, which have resulted in an improvement each time. I also tend to keep with my choices for 3-5 years, sometimes longer. I'm not one to constantly change/upgrade my system. I do this for the music. The gear is just the means to that end. I can't be content if the sound is constantly being altered. Then you're consumed by that, it becomes obsessive. It's good to hear recordings in a different way, but it gets to a point of where does it end. I want to relax, enjoy the music, not play endless musical chairs with the gear.

*All internal silver, Sophia 300B Carbon Plate, NOS '42 Sylvania CHS-274B, and NOS '56 WE 417a.
Addendum:

Here are some speaker prerequisites I meant to include (text edit box wouldn't allow any more);

Sensitivity: 90+dB (higher the better), for use with 10 watt SET monos.
Design: Prefer hybrid, 3-way (like Horning), no horn "honk" full range driver, single pair of terminals (no bi-amp).
Size/Weight: Manageable (12x12x40)/100lbs <
Finish: Natural wood; Maple,...etc. Light toned woods.

Thanks for the suggestions. I realize I'm not going to find something in the same class as the Horning, just hopefully something similar in design/sound at a much lower price.

I looked at Hornshoppe and have a hard time believing that speaker would be satisfying enough. Single full-range driver.... I'm just not sure. Prefer hybrid; 2-way, 3-way. Klipsch has never appealed to me - aesthetically.The Zu Omen does still sound like a fantastic bargain and possibly a very good sounding speaker that I could be happy with but the wait. The Tekton Design is interesting; KatzMeow and Uruz. KCS has been mentioned also (new model for $2500 listed here). Jaton website isn't working.

Saw Jaton. Doesn't appeal to me - aesthetically. I've contacted Tekton design twice with no reply/quote. I noticed the Zu holiday sale, yet another one. Too bad they're not in stock and have a huge backorder to fill from the last sale. Not to mention moving into their new facility. Also checking out used DeVore Gibbon Super 8. But I might have found my speaker. A horn design from Europe. This is really up in the air. If a speaker comes along, new or used, that fits my budget and prerequisites I'll grab it.

Thanks. I'll check them out. The overseas speaker may have fallen through - too much. Almost had a used pair of DeVore Gibbon Super 8. "Missed it by that much."

I'm actually familiar with Tonian Labs. Forgot about them. I like PHY-HP and AER. What is the price range like?

The Audiokinesis Rhythm Prism is interesting. Requested more pictures.

I just came across this Sonist Concerto 3 while browsing a dealers webpage of the other speakers. Pushing the budget though. But I was intrigued with it by the review at Stereophile because Art Dudley mentions the Horning Perikles (little brother to Agathon).

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/sonist_concerto_3_loudspeaker/

Thanks, Clio09. You've done some research on these speakers.

I had considered the Tonian Labs speaker a few years back but ended up with Horning. I'm very intrigued again after reading reviews. Skeptical of it matching the Horning (and it better not at 7x's the price), but I feel it would have a very similar essence of sound I enjoyed so much with that speaker.

At this moment it's between Tonian Labs TL-D1 or D2, Sonist Concerto 3, and Zu Essence.

The Audiokinesis Rhythm Prism is interesting but that finish looks like cheap furniture veneer.

Clio09: I noticed that you had those speakers. I like them. What about the TL-D1 finish didn't you like? I'm checking out a pair soon. Maybe coming home with them too.

And the speaker is; Tonian TL-D1. I found a pair which the owner had changed their mind and upgraded to the PHY-HP driver model. I would have preferred that too, or the AER, but budget didn't permit. I'm excited and look forward to hearing what's possible with these speakers. I hope they exceed my expectations. I'm not expecting the same sound as my Horning's, but if they do provide a substantial part of the sound I was accustomed to, and at a fraction of the cost (1/7th) I will be elated. If not, a learning experience. But I'll know from personal experience.

I was also very interested in the Tekton Uruz or KatzMeow in custom wood finish but after no response from multiple emails over 3 weeks I gave up. There was also a used pair of Zu Essence I would have enjoy hearing. But when the TL-D1 and it's great price came to my attention I had to jump on it.

Cfluxa: I concur. Sell the amp. If an SET didn't mate well with my previous Horning speakers the amp would go, not the speaker. Fortunately, that wasn't the case since the pair already had a known synergy.

Finsup: Actually, it's 8 musically pure, spine tingling, evocative, orgasmic watts. And what kind of music did I play with these flea-powered SET's paired with Horning Agathon Ultimates? Everything and anything. And to more then satisfying levels. The most natural, neutral, accurate and tonally pure sound I've come to hear from my system in 20 years of high-end audio. But please don't take my word for it. Listen for yourself. Even my 15 watt ViVa VeronaSET monos demolished my 150 watt Rowland Model 10. And that was with 89dB Kharma Ceramique 2.1 SDSS speakers. The ViVa may not have played as loud without distorting, but then again this was 15 watts with an inefficient speaker. Regardless, the SET sound was glorious, beyond words, and even the bass was better. How can that be you ask? I was skeptical too, and then disbelief. But there it was, hearing it with my own ears. Sure there are going to be situations where it doesn't work, but that's also true of solid-state. But once you hear that veil of distortion wiped away you'll realize what you've been missing, especially in terms of that emotional connection to the music. And then NOS tubes took it to a whole other level.
Check out the Positive Feedback review where the TL-D1 challenges a reviewers skepticism and his $9K Dali Euphonia speakers putting the myth of efficient, full-range driver, light weight cabinet speaker design inadequacies to rest, at least in this case. Note: The review TL-D1 was the original kit version. The new MKII has different plywood, modified woofer and tweeter, plus higher grade crossover and hookup wire.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

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Update: I'm still trying to sort out the music server...

also had some noise issues (tubes). I want to say I like what I hear based on a brief time with the SqueezeBox Touch, but I can't be certain until I have the system dialed in. It's close. I gave the latest USB converters (WaveLink HS and hiFace Evo) a try after the SBT, but was not satisfied at all with the sound from one and couldn't get the latter one to work. I'm done with them [USB], again, four years later. They sound terrible, even USB DAC's I tried in the past. Back to the Wadia iTransport, but this time the new 171i.
I'm also sorting out a power cord for use between wall outlet and PC. Once I've worked out these details I can begin to do some critical listening. I hope the TL-D1, or the Artemis Labs LA-1, is not a mismatch with my system. These two pieces are the only real change in the system.

I also tweaked/upgraded the TL-D1 already with PHY-HP binding posts and edenSound TSCones w/ Bras LES (Large Economy Spikes).