Fremer lays an Ostrich egg...


From the start, let us say i am a little biased. i read with particular interest the review about the Levinson 53 Amplifiers in the current Stereophile, amps i currently own of course. i also have a Levinson 326S preamp, an EMM Lab CDP, and Von Schweikert VR9SE speakers, all linked up with transparent wire.
my previous amps btw were Levinson 33H mono's which i loved.
According to Mikey, the amps basically suck. no life. no harmonics. uninvolving. flat. they measure great for the most part, except for some anomilies outside of stuff the human ear can detect anyway. they are put together nicely too. But... they have a (dreaded) switch-mode power supply which i get the distinct impression MF decided ahead of time was going to screw up the sound. and so it did (i guess- who really knows what goes on in his head?) so every OTHER sentence in the review emphasizes transparency and dead quiet, neutral sound while the "meat" of the article states the amplifier doesn't have "heart and soul". the Absolute Sound did not reach the same conclusion, but did intimate the amps had an austere quality.
AND THIS is MY review- the ML#53's are not for everybody. they are DEAD NEUTRAL. they are DYNAMIC. DETAILED. my system COOKS when i put on a really good recording of a really good performance. if however the signal lacks in significant areas then I HAVE TO EXTRACT THE MUSIC out of the sound my speakers are making. if i love the performance this is easy for me to do. if i don't care that much about the CD, then it gets sold or just not played that much. other good attributes- the amps never get HOT, they are not impossible to move around (with a little help), they have protection circuitry that kicks in whenever the power goes out. AND FINALLY there is a pair of speakers they won't power up somewhere on the planet. i would like
to see them so i can warn people not to match them up. this could take awhile however.
it floored me when Fremer sold his SF Amati Homage speakers and got Watt Puppy 7's instead. He couldn't say enough good things about the Sonus Fabers, and yet he traded them for a much more analytical sounding speaker, probably for the super-detailed, super focused sound. His reviews of $$,$$$ phono stages are hilarious- what a set of ears he possesses!
when it comes to VPI turntables, he disliked the Aries but LOVED the less-accomplished Scoutmaster. I would guess the Classic-3 is pretty good as well, but i have 0.01% confidence
in M.Fremers' opinion of it. BUT i would welcome anyone ELSE'S professional opinion. At $6,000 it's not an inexpensive investment. add an SDS and a cartridge (and a record cleaning machine) and you're looking at $8500. If in fact VPI (and SO MANY OTHER TURNTABLES) have long engineered an OUTBOARD MOTOR UNIT to isolate noise and enhance the sound, wouldn't you want to know EXACTLY what the deal is with the Classic line? i sure would, and i am a HUGE fan of SOME of VPI's products and i own several.
OTOH, i am a mere peon, peasant, ignorant on the subject of SOTA Analog, and whatever other descripion you might want to label me with. But i think i can say my opinions are consistent and follow a logical pattern.
trying to detect that quality from M.F.'s writings is difficult and at times impossible. and yes, even laughable. i myself have owned (over a long period of time) Levinson, Krell, S. Faber, Pass, and Rowland amplifiers and listened to them in my own home. the ML#53's are very accomplished amps and represent some of the best solid state available, cleaner and faster than the ML-33H's that Stereophile liked so much. Yes they are probably better suited for classical and jazz, and hi-rez recordings are invaluable to bring out the best in them.
but they do not "sound flat and uninvolving". amps don't generally do that anyway- speakers do. Put on a Rachel Podger SACD on Pentatone of Mozart and/or Haydn (or Julia Fisher) and bathe in the warmth of
the sound flowing out of your speakers. Everyone (including ordinary people with ordinary hearing) who have heard my system thinks it sounds "really nice". That's good enough for me. I also think it sounds "really nice".
And i can be pretty picky.
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Too many people think i am personally offended by Fremer's review; Nah, he's irrelevant and has been for years. All i wanted to point out is Stereophile once praised the Levinson 33H amps to the heavens for "not having a sound of their own". OK, so then the #53 amps are modeled AFTER the 33's but lower the noise floor, offer more efficiency as well as more power, they no longer require a 220V power outlet, they don't weigh 300 pounds. By what system of LOGIC do they sound so bad?- Oh, and don't even bother to go hear them for yourself- Avatar Fremer intimates that it would be a waste of time. If what he feels so strongly about were true, then Stereophile has just invalidated many dozens of its OTHER reviews of similar sounding gear. Remember the cover extolling Halcro (and i quote) " the best amplifier in the world"? That was a really dumb thing to do of course, and later on other reviewers found the Halcro's to be "dry" and uninvolving (also).
Opinions are like (______) and everyone has one or five or six. all i am saying is you don't have to love the amps, but don't write an article that closes the door on them altogether.
Some people respect these reviews and believe them to be (mostly) valid. this article doesn't even come close.
by giving numerous examples of the blatant contradictions anyone could readily see in Fremer's writings i tried to make a specific point. i also own the amps he is criticising, and in no way do they sound so lacking in realism that they rob the music of its life. the dealers that sell them, me, my friends, everyone who has heard music on my system thinks my stereo sounds fantastic. that's a nice compliment, but of course in the end, after having heard a LOT of great equipment, i feel i made a good choice in buying the #53's regardless of what others may think. but Fremer must be either listening to one that was severely damaged, or his brain is severely damaged. and spouting off in a stereo mag about a reference amp that in his often ludicrous opinion "sucks' is once again an insult not just to my knowledge of high end audio but everyone else's as well. but if people just conclude that i am defending my ego instead of defending everyone here who knows more about good sound than a blowfish like M.Fremer, then you are not reading my comments as colleagues but someone who is rocking the establishment's boat i.e. "whining". why would i go to the trouble for that? it isn't worth it. but if you try to really understand what i am getting at then we can have a meaningful conversation.
yeah, i can see how truly perceptive many of you "fellow audiophiles" are.
if i criticize an authority figure like Mr.Fremer (oh no! take it back you blasphemer! burn in Hell for all eternity! ) someone who actually has a nice well matched system which i built up over 25 years with these "terrible sounding amps" must be terribly insecure, whiney, tin-eared, and hiding behind a elaborate agenda to compliment an expensive piece of junk. when i go to sell them i can get top dollar, but only if i drag Mr.Fremer's sterling reputation through the mud because after all HE KNOWS. and if a poorly recorded CD of a piece i don't like or got tired of goes on sale, it's OBVIOUSLY because my amps have (sob!!) let me down again! i mean, why bother? go build a shrine in HIS honor. send him your rare Bob Dylan mono bootleg, one of only 50 that were ever pressed! don't listen to me. And definitely don't bother to read what i actually wrote. NO, psychoanalyze me because i am a twisted psychopath who goes around short-circuiting SET amplifiers for kicks. If it sounds better than my stuff i fly into a rage and have to be held down and injected with Haldol, etc.
have i missed anything folks? i mean y'all know me so well, i might as well turn myself in for shock treatments before it's too late.... (great forum btw)
This isn't about opinions. this is about arithmatic. if A=B and B=C, then A=C.
i can't make my point any clearer than this.
I am SOOO pleased that His Master's Voice has chipped in with his Very Talented View of my comments (and others). Let me say from the outset that anyone who helps people optimize the workings of a modern high-tech record player with that teensie needle supposedly transferring music from the vinyl micro-bumps to a pair of speakers deserves a great deal of credit. records sound good and they are an important catagory in high-end audio, and are likely to remain so for quite some time (IMO). I used to be proficient at setting up a Thorens since it came with all the tools i needed anyway. but i would not be
that comfortable handling a $1000+ cartridge and a Triplanar arm, on some table that
looks like the Starship Enterprise, so hats off to Mr. Fremer for his expert guidance.
(and for Elusive Disc for that matter as well.)
OKAY, SO I keep TRYING to explain why i opened up this discussion, NOT to tell everyone what sounds good or bad or "i don't know". but Hell, in 2011 Stereophile reviewed the new M.Levinson 532H stereo amplifier and found it to be wonderful and said it was unequivocally a Class A product. this amp costs 1/5 as much ($8500) as the Reference 53 amplifiers, a piece i have owned now for over 6 months. my previous amps were ML-33H's, a well respected amp for many years now, and i felt the 53's represented a significant improvement. prior to the 33H's i had a pair of ROWLAND monoblocks, and the 33H's were so much more dynamic and alive in their presentation it was a real eye-opener. but i never lost my love for the Rowlands just the same, although they are admittedly quite different sounding.
I won't bore anyone further with the many other amps i have had in my system for years and learned how noise/distortion becomes less and less of a problem with better designs and better parts. With the 53's they have a very vivid, dynamic, and open presentation, very clean, and IMHO no discernable artifacts, grain, or other distractions.
I do find that better recordings become enticingly close to reality, and as i have found some outstanding performances as well the whole system perks up nicely and gets out of the way that much more. But even if you don't happen to like them or the guts inside that
has "inherent limitations", that doesn't make them that much better or worse than doezens of other excellent-sounding solid state amplifiers that are ALSO trying to walk the line between sounding mechanical on one extreme vs tubey on the other. If Sterophile found the 33H's were hard to review because they "didn't have a sound of their own", the LEAST you could say, and SHOULD SAY, is that the 53's were an attempt by Levinson to keep to that theme while lowering the noise floor even more, and getting rid of the anvil-like weight of the 33's and delivering even MORE power to speakers requiring it. If you feel they are too dry for your tastes, that's fine.
but the gist of the review would completely discourage anyone from wanting to go hear them, and seocondly leave the readers wondering if the entire design is faulty in some way.
Harmon states emphatically that they conducted numerous exhaustive listening tests until they felt that they had acheived the best product they could make. this amplifier wasn't just designed on a piece of paper, and then built according to some theoretical goal. I can clearly hear that they made a better amplifier. So If the #532H sounds so good, why didn't they just stop there? i am sorry, but when 1 + 3 = -2 then i have to weigh in and offer an alternative view.
I have subscribed to Stereophile for a long time now, and i find it very entertaining and it does introduce me to what's out there. i am a computer-audio dunce (still) and would like to put hi-rez files into my system somehow, but i feel it should be just as easy as playing a record or a cd. but Stereophle can make some really dumb remarks, come up with some less-than-believable contents, and i don't even look at Recommended Components anymore, which makes two issues a year mostly a waste of time and paper.
And i wish they would hand over reviews of the "best of the best" components to someone else for a change, and also someone who has a REALLY GREAT ROOM to review them in. and Mr. Fremer, if you are reading this, unless a component represents a threat to the health and safety of the owner, END EVERY REVIEW with "go audition this product for yourself to see if its performance appeals to you." The dismissive remarks you made about the ML- 53's make me wonder if you were suffering from a severe head cold (ah chooo!).