For tube sound, which is more important: preamp or power amp?


I have always loved the “tube sound” - warmth, midrange, soundstage. Through the years (since about 1975), I have owned many tube and solid state amps and preamps, in various combinations. Presently, I have a tube amp and a solid state preamp. But like most of you, I am thinking of making changes, again.  Not to cloud the discussion, the specific brands are not important.  I also listen to acoustic music, females vocals, love mini monitors, EL34s, NOS tubes, and don’t care that much about bass.  So you can see that my taste fits the tube sound very well. But I have had systems that are too warm, not enough dynamics or details, and fat in the low end, too.

okay, now to the discussion.  To produce the tube sound, which is more important: the preamp or the power amp?  Let’s talk in general, and (if possible? May not be) not tied to one specific piece/brand/model of equipment.  I know there are exceptions to any general rule.  Not sure if it makes a difference to your comments, but I have no phono and am running line stage only.

As an attempt to prevent the conversation as going in a big tangent, let’s assume equality of price/quality. i.e. not comparing a $10k power amps contribution to a system to that of a $1k preamp.  Let’s also assume that the amp (tube or solid state) can drive the speakers just fine, such that compatibility does not limit the decision. And ignore mono blocks versus stereo amp differences.  

two follow ons: I have  the perception that preamps give you more bang for the buck - meaning that it takes less money to get a great tube preamp compared to a great tube amp.  Agree/disagree? And second, I have never owned a tube dac or CD player, and will assume that tubes in either of these is less critical than in a preamp or power amp. Agree/disagree?

i am interested in your thoughts.

Bill
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Showing 7 responses by danoroo

OK.  Putting all the excellent theoretical knowledge displayed in this thread to practical use,  can you guys recommend some good 100W+ stereo tube amps to pair with an Emotiva XSP-1 preamp? 
Thanks wolf.  Are there any tube amp idiosyncrasies I need to be aware of since this will be my 1st foray into this topology?
@charles1dad

I would like to keep the price around $1500.  Maybe $2000 if I could find a bargain at that price.  What is tube biasing and is it something I have to do regularly?
@jond Actually I'm currently using a pair of Tekton loudspeakers rated at 98db sensitivity.
But, I like to play the music loud sometimes.  Will the 22W amps you linked to accomplish that?  I'm using a 200W SS amp now.
@ charles1dad

This 845 SET amp can be driven by my Emotiva XSP-1 SS preamp?  The reason I want to use that preamp is because of it's bass management capabilities.  I would like to drive the Tekton Enzo 2.7s with a capable tube power amp while connecting subwoofers to the preamp.  Since I have never used tubes in my system and have no idea what sound characteristics they offer,  I would like to keep my initial foray as economical as possible until I'm certain this the presentation I want.  I appreciate you guys taking time to educate a noob.  Thanks.
@david-ten 
I run Dirac Live to clean up the anomalies you mentioned.   Also, looking the specs of most tube power amps it seems the S/N ratio isn't nearly as good as SS amps.  The THD numbers aren't as good either with 1% at full power not uncommon.  SS amps' specs look considerably better.  Is this typical?