thanks Bob_R... I do appriciate it.
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Saki70
haha! ya got me... and you're right. it's just such a chore getting over there and back for me. but I do love Brian when he ain't being rushed or real busy. he's a real world wealth of info too.
we'll see if I can arrange that little trip soon. sure hate to lug my amp along though... |
Arthur
yes, thanks much. I've not had Coincident, or Silverline, (which those two seem nigh on the first thoughts in high eff FS usually), but felt perhaps monitors + subs would be capable of attaining as good a performance level.
My sole concern is as you said, integration.
Jax2
thanks, I believe you pointed to the item I now see more clearly, as the diffs I do precieve between FS & Mons. Focus.
I have two sets of speakers now FS & MONS. Over the past few days I've heard the mons... today I placed the FS. Apart from the greater range of the FS the mons are hands down way more focused. I could live quite easily with mons & a sub or two.
I suppose for me it comes down to the price of addmission. Mons that'll hit 40 before rolling off in a mid sized room and perform well tonaly shouldn't be out of reach... and I can add subs as I go.
Apart from the seemingly only reasonable choices the coins and Silvers, one piece floorstanders with good and deep bass are IMO priceyer by some bit.
...or I'm not looking in the right areas or brands.
One other thing, the two sets of speakers I have now a vastly different in the 'load' area. I have found just between these two samples, that the 85db 8ohm two ways, are near half as much trouble to drive as are the 87db 4ohm FS... just looking at the volume knob on the preamp is my high tech test method.
the 4ohm'er is a couple notches above the 8ohm'ers for about the same level. I do get a loud enough vol though with either. Just hate to push the gear more than I need to... so I figure 91-92db at 8ohm should do it... on paper.
Hi joe!
I do understand, and their bottom end wasn't bad at all, but mine are gone. sooo, next?
Of the loads of speaker makers runing the highways and byways of audioland, aren't there other choices besides Mr. Bloom's & mr. yun's units to consider in the realm of easy load and near full range without resorting to Hornsville?
Oh, and without too much 'unobtainium' in them too. |
Bob_reynolds
Not opposed to doing FS, just having a hard time finding good sounding ones with the things I need, decent price,m easy load, 91-92db, and reasonable bottom end impact and res.
I don't feel mons are without issues either but mostly they represent at least easier loads. Mostly. |
Shadorne thanks much,
"A sealed sub and sealed monitors instead of ported floorstanders is a great way to go."
....please say Why this is so?
Restock I do apprreciate it.
I certainly have considered Abbey's. Prior to this thread it seems I have been ignoring or overlooking the idea about less drivers being better than more drivers... gee, I hate to put it that way, but...
As initially and usually, find the simpler way best overall, I can see how better imaging is resultant of fewer speakers in the mix.
So then, if less is indeed more in that respect, a near full range 3 driver FS should equal a pair of mons & sub. Personally I don't feel other than on paper, that's right though.
Fact is I just haven't been able to find affordable FS units which are truly satisfying in the area below 35-40hz.
...and now with my present bent on tube amps, and intentions to likely wind up with a 30wpc amp or no more than 60-75wpc, I need either way, something those sorts of amps will run without having to reload speakers each time I make an amp change. So I see an 8ohm load or flat impedance curve a necessity, as well as a minimum 92-93db sens, given the room size & LP... maybe 94db... and the price tag to be reasonable, around 3-3.5K and used is better IMO.
...any recomeds in that respect aside from Coincident or Silverline? |
Jax2
thanks
I have so far always had the province to use the output of the proc or pre's being used for the driving of the sub.... not passsing it off from the amp to the speakers. I just figured to save the dough on doubling the expense of a second set of speaker cables that way.
I feel bass far more than articulate it. it impresses me always that some are capable of actually being able to discern artifacts below 30 or so hz. so acutely. Changes there, sure, I notice changes there. tonally though? Not as well. I feel the bootom end more so than hear it.
Bass fiddle goes to 41hz. Piano a touch less. Only Drums and organs reside lower. Kick and bass drums are more so impcatful than tuneful to me.
A solid bottome end however does set the table for the balance of the music... see reviews of good subs by owners and agents... especially those of the Rel camp. to a person they indicate the help of the sub to the upper regions of the musical pallet. I agree.
I am stuck in the mud as to a distinct advantage apart from the aforementioned imaging of monitors being decidedly better than FS units.
The cohesion factor seems only to remain with integrating monitors and sub... and one respondant said look to the same makere of monitors to that end... which really does make sense. Wouldn't they know the shortcomings of their speakers best?
the whole 'shebang' for me, here, is getting some advice on brands and models that will work "either path" to a satisfactory end with lesser powered amps.
I am getting a lot less picky lately, yet I do wish to improve upon the level of performance the JR's provided me by way of a more musical sounding presentation.. not simply one of accurate depiction... if you catch my drift here.
Maybe I ask too much. The JRs did sound good to me.. just not great, or even excellent, only occassionally.
I trust given the price for them, there are better out there. Not just different which will suit my needs for a bit more eff and easy load.
Aball
I am a bit confused about Triangle and their price points. I have only looked breifly at the info online about them. Another French speaker maker Renaud was also pointed out to me.
when I hear words like extreme resolution I tend to shy away, as I do not wish a clinical or sterile sound. My front end, cables and such are now so that should not be at issue, but those words still threaten me... transparency is far more attractive a word to me. the treble for me meeds to be non articulate as well. Insightful yes, and maybe sweet is better used here.
triangles do that? and don't need lots of power to preform realy well??
Bander
Thanks.
Jumping Cactus. Interesting. The name sure is attractive. you won't soon lose that in a parking lot. Hmmmm I'll look into them some. thanks so very much for that option.
Hmmmm Most curious.
I am about to pull the trigger on something. What, I do not know... I just hope the barrel is in the right direction.
I was hoping you would have said the Lipinskis were the real deal though.
As options are truly what I seek now I sure appreciate that one. It's hard to put into words just how much in fact. |
Tvad
G-man, ya know... we apparently have no other erstwhile life... that or we read and type really fast.
Jax2
uh, thanks. entering into a life of crime at this juncture of my life seems less and less an option. Waht days I have left I'd prefer them done as a freeman... even if I have to listen to a Bose desktop.
ok I give. I do. If i have to use horns, or single driver units six feet tall... I give up.
I'll just add another amp for the bottom and go with the majority... like the good sheep I am. baaaa. Baaaaaa. B&Wwwwaaa.
...or not. |
Tvad
..as always, your thoughts are entirely welcome. Anytime. My concern as to the "ohm" was the level of power you indicated that would likely be appropriate.
that ain't gonna happen. Not for a while. I am dumbfounded... yes, even further than usuall by the product the vk60 is serving up. ...with way difficult units too.
I'll go back to the little FS stand mounted two ways for a time as they are far easier to drive with almost as much bass... just to save the tubes some.
Nosing about for some "well received" alternatives... I ran across merlins, natuarally, and Zu Def's. some Utopia's too.
Primarily the interest for me was in the JM Labs 1027, Mini's; Zu Def's, and the Merlin VSM MXE in no real order.
Two FS and two mons. All of which will require likely more resolve to wait than I can probably muster... maybe. Just to fade the expense. but I do see them all as possible last stops. I so want that last stop bit.
Talked to Bobby P. of Merlin, and got straightened out on some of the merlin jargon that was confusing me.. still not real clear on a couple things but in all, I'm better now in that single regard.
Anyone see any of these now listed items not fitting with a path utilizing lower power, in a mid sized room?
or... any pre-requisite of subs?
I know nothing of the 1027 or Diva. Not terribly more about the Zu Definitions.
Thanks in advance. |
Rf_gumby
thanks, mind pointing me towards some press on the little two way from Gamut? |
Optarchie
thanks. Again, any press on the Pinions? 'cause the freemonts are too high for me. Probably the Pinions too... I've not seen any used here on the 'gone. |
Rf_gumby
Thanks... yep... saw the same Danish review... couldn't make much of it though.. other than I believe they liked it. I think. ha
Wonder if you can copy and paste it into bablefish...??
It will be way important for me to have a mon that can get down flat to 40hz. Absolutely. Transparency in the mids, sweet on top, and great imaging, otherwise wil do. Add in a bit of jump to it and i'm there as I listen to a number of genres... not just females & acoustical.
Whatever the name on it is, ain't real important to me. |
Well I want to thank everone that shared their thoughts here with and for me and anyone else, for that matter.
I decided to go with floorstanders. Sonata IIIs. Two reasons:
1 I want to try some lower powered amps and they seem to have the numbers necessary for that purpose.
2 I really want to not have to use a sub. the VSA JRs weren't too bad without a sub so maybe the Sonata IIIs will do well too.
We'll see soon enough... again, thanks so very much. |
Tweak1
Tried many subs before you bought the SVS? Music, movies, or both?
At just under 100 hrs. a sub with these Silverlines may well be just an option and not a prerequisite. |
