Flatscreen between speakers


Has anyone found a solution to cancel or at least improve the acoustic glare caused by a flatscreen tv on the wall behind the speakers? I don’t have a dedicated room and have to share the room with my home theater setup. I have thought of using an appropriate curtain and treat the tv as if it was a window. I am also considering light 3D printed panels that I can temporarily hung when listening to music and take down when watching TV with the wife. 
I tried hanging a couple of thick towels on it to see if there would be any improvement and the answer is yes. The center image is more solid and a little deeper. Nothing drastic but if I could squeeze anything positive, why not. Please let me know if you have confronted this issue in the past and whether you were able to solve it. Thanks. 

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A big flat surface between your speakers produces an early reflection free zone. This can be good or bad. The reason it could be bad is that too few early reflections can color the sound and skew the imaging worse than more but weaker early reflections. The TV isn't diffusive, so it becomes an early reflection dead zone, making it more important to deal with early reflections from the floor, ceiling, and side walls using combinations of diffusion and absorption. There will be sounds directly from the speaker bouncing off the screen at an angle and then heading toward the opposite side wall, and then bouncing back toward you. Treating those sidewall locations as well as other early reflection points may improve the imaging. 

One thing I do is mount my TV higher than my seated eye position, and then angle the screen down so that it's squared up with my angle of vision toward the center of the screen. I'm not sure what this does in terms of sound quality, but at least it eliminates the parallel surface problem between the screen and the wall behind me. 

An idea I've had but never tried is to get a large piece of thin, clear plexiglass to bend in a curve and put in front of the TV. It'd degrade the image very slightly but also act as a polycylindrical diffuser. 

Phantom center is a long used term that basically describes imaging between the speakers from standard 2 channel stereo. Derived center is a common term for a synthetic channel that is electronically extracted from the left and right channels of a 2 channel stereo recording to make a center channel.

It's interesting to think that before the age of electronics it would have been pretty much impossible to pull of the phantom center image trick because there were no multiple, near identical, time aligned sound sources available. 

It’s not necessarily just dead center. Phantom imaging is any image generated some place between the speakers when they both play the same thing in phase. Or if they play the same thing with a time delay on one of the speakers. It’s only dead center if both speakers are at the exact same level and in phase, which means the comb filtering is at it’s worst. (There are potential combinations of level difference and phase/timing difference that can bring the phantom image back to dead center.) A lot of content has a lead singer or instrumentalist panned dead center, so it makes sense in a lot of ways to move that to a center speaker. The devil is in the details of how to do that, so it’s no surprise that audiophiles have often not been satisfied with the results of a center channel. It depends a lot on what characteristics of the sound they are most sensitive to.

If two or more omnidirectional microphones that are not coincident in location are used to record an orchestra, there will be delay characteristics introduced into the recording that may be considered technically less than optimal. I personally think a lot of the Mercury Living Presence recordings sound great despite this issue. Blumlein demonstrated that two coincident microphones could produce a coherent stereo image that was correct in both amplitude and phase at each of the listener’s ears for imaged sound objects placed anywhere between the speakers, with no delay echoes introduced as the microphones are right on top of each other, just pointed in different directions. Unfortunately it only works perfectly when sounds are hard panned to one speaker or the other. Anything in between will sound like it’s coming from the correct direction, but the tone will be increasingly corrupted by interference patterns, with it being at its worst when the imaging is dead center. The interference patterns are not caused by the microphones, but by the 2 speakers when they play the recording back, and this happens with 2 speakers regardless of how the mics were set up.  Fortunately this doesn’t sound as bad as it looks like it should. But still, it doesn’t sound as clear and pure of timbre as does a hard panned sound. So, center channels, and perhaps a couple more speakers between the center and side speakers have desirable potential. The problem is how to make the recording, or how to upmix a good 2 channel recording to more channels without doing more harm than gain. 

I learned recently that there are some French multi-channel recordings that were made with 5 microphones spaced apart in a row in front of the orchestra. The intent is to play the recording back with 5 speakers arranged in your room with the same spacing as the microphones. This allows for a proximation of wave front reproduction that a 2 speaker system cannot reproduce at all. Unfortunately it also generates lots of comb filtering/interference from delays when played back, which could be alleviated to various degrees with more microphones and more speakers. 100 channels would probably do a marvelous job of pushing comb filtering/interference patterns above the critical range, but would also be ridiculous to pull off. 100 speakers and 100 amp channels. Yikes! I’ve thought about ordering some of these 5 channel recordings and having a listen, but honestly I’m enjoying 2 speakers well enough and it’s considerably more convenient. 

@richardbrand 

I've had some experience with multi channel classical, jazz, and rock on SACD and DVD-A. I never had a really good multichannel system so it's fair to say I really haven't tested the possibilities yet.  My house needs to have a bunch of clutter cleared out of a couple rooms. When that's done I may have the space to get a decent multi-channel setup going. I still own the discs.