First Steps into Computer Audio



Hi

I have shifted from traditional rig (first Vandy HT system w/ Arcam receiver, to Acoustat 2+2 with Belles 400 amp), to computer audio.

My main system is a desktop Dell Dimension P4 system, that has a SB Audigy 2 card. Will be listening to lots of classical, jazz, etc, as well as movies. Room is a very small 8 by 5 or 8 by 6 room

I just bought Audioengine A5's with the 25% off coupon, and likely will also buy some Quad 11L's to compare and sell the one I don't like as much.

So chain will be P4 w/ SB audigy 2 to A5 or Quad 11L (I assume the Quad 11L will be way better but will review and let folks know).

Now the question is what next to improve sound (and I will of course wait to do my next upgrade but already planning as most everyone says Audigy 2 is not very good.

I don't need a headphone amp (ok if it comes with) as 95% or more of listening will be done with speakers so I guess I could

1. Buy a better soundcard to output analog to speakers (say Chaintech low end, or 1212M higher end, or Xonar STX not sure my mobo is PCI E)

2. Use a USB dac from the usb ports, and feed speakers

3. Use the CB Audigy 2 digital out (SPDIF) to a DAC, or use the better sound card's digital out to the DAC to speakers.

I think would want very good SQ, but also keep price relatively reasonable.

Thoughts? Opinions welcome

Shriram
shriramosu

Showing 4 responses by blindjim


go outside of the PC tower with your card at least.

Past that a better driver for it will help. many USB sound cards will also have updates on their websites even though you just bought the thing new... so do look there too if you go USB sound card.

Past that... an independant USB DAC/Sound card driver like the german version sold for $70 or so will really help too.

A DAC with USB if money permits is also a thought.

In any case... DAC or Card... the better, the better. Apogee & Lavry make some nice units for under a grand with lots of flexibility and fine support.
Tok20000

Please tell me how you rip 16/44.1 CDs to a 24/96 format?

or anyone else for that matter.

et al... I'm not so sure the inference that USB sucks is either truthful, or appropriate.

I say this only becuase what I'm getting via a USB DAC sounds better than what I was getting from my CDP via the same DAC using coax.

There are indeed other factors aside from just the interface, I suspect.

I keep hearing folks allude to fire wire, & I2S. i DON'T SEE MUCH BY WAY OF AFFORDABLE PATHS THERE THOUGH. i2s, ESPECIALLY. a $1,000 for the gizmo needed to get the info to a I2S DAC? Then there's the I2S DAC costs. how much is a decent one of those going for lately?

I'm pretty well pleased with my BC DAC3. Either way... coax or USB. Even it's optical interface isn't bad. I spent some hours last night using just that link and had a very good time with it using my mega changer as a source. So in essence I was using a $300 CDP, the BC DAC3, a $10 fiber optics cable, some HT Magic II rca LINKS OFF OF IT TO AN ONKYO 805, then out via Audio Art ICS to Dodd mono blocks & sonata IIIs & Velodyne DD15.

No getting around it, it was fun. Fun to me is being able to listen without the idea popping up 'something isn't right here', for extended periods. When I can just keep playing till the wee hours of the night, I'd say I'm enjoying what I'm getting.

.... using the laptop via USB into that same deal is noticeably better.

... better too is using my preamp and better ICs & pcs.

.... better still is using this last path with J river MC, and the Vista 32 laptop on it's DC power supply sitting atop a small Ebony folding table.

...yet one more level up is using this USB driver:

http://www.usb-audio.com/download.html

$70.

Ripping with error control is yet another step up.

ALAC, AIF, WAV, all sound very good to excellent, depending on the orig recording of course. Even compressed AAC files sound at least decent.... only the mp3 files were noticeably poorer sounding... (many of which were seven or eight years old too and done at 320kps constant bit rates).

I'm hard pressed to believe USB sucks IMO.

the pc path I use not counting wires came to me at $2750. $750 of which (the laptop) was free. So $2K for the DAC and 1TB NAS drive.

M Audio does issue a Fire wire sound card duplicate of the Audiophile 192... which I own in PCI format. I believe it's under $300 or right at it. I wasn't aware of that when I bought the PCI version... BTW, their support is great.

Check "M" out. ;-))

Drubin

Agreed.

I'm in no mood, nor hurry to make changes in the HDD digital pile up going on around here.

I'm still experimenting in fact... I'm also receeding from living on the bleeding edge tech wise too.

maybe on the next gear-go-round I'll look into another way to do things. right now I am very well pleased.
$80 ?

I don’t think you’re actually stepping up over the CL card that way.

I think cost is an issue for you for now. If so, and it is for me too now and then, I'd go with as good a firewire or USB (outboard) PC soundcard for now. I have one of those CL cards too.

M audio cards do sound better. No question.
Going out of the card into the exact same DAC, with a different interface (coax) than USB, you will gain more accuracy and depth... or I should say in my case, that's what happened… as I could set the software to emulate upsampling to 24/96 or 24/192.

Also, down the road you can take more time to get a good to great DAC, which will definitely be an improvement.

You’ll also have a fall back unit just in case.

Look at the M audio 24/192 outboard card… About $200… Sam Ash carries them as do many others. I go to Ash ‘cause they’re close by and flexible when you show them cash. Their online outlet is right here in my town, but sometimes they’ll differ on price from their BM stores, so check out both, if possible…

J R music also caries them. Both are price competitive. Both are good places to buy from in my exp.